Bas Lebesque

Habits & Health episode 19 - Bas Lebesque

Habits & Health episode 19 with Bas Lebesque, in which we explore many unhelpful habits Bas managed to overcome… except coffee. That’s one he can’t beat!

He is an executive mindcoach and helps clients find balance and work on their mindset. Mostly with senior corporate business owners and executives.

Recommended book from Bas:

400 letters from my mother by Joseph Oubelkas


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This video is related to an older episode featuring Dr. Dawson Church

Tony Winyard 0:00

Habits and health Episode 19.

Jingle 0:03

Welcome to the habits and health Podcast, where we believe creating healthy habits should be easy. Brought to you by an educator and coach for anyone who wants to create a healthier life. here's your host, Tony Winyard.

Tony Winyard 0:21

Welcome to another edition of the podcast where we give you ideas to create habits that will improve your health. My guest today is Bas Lebesque, we we talk a lot about habits in this episode. And he's worked a lot on some bad habits he said he had many years ago and he's reduced many things in his life and drinking and coffee and some others smoking and so on. But he now has much more energy, focus and freedom. And that's what he helps his clients with. So we're going to hear more from Bas Lebesque very soon. My guest today is Bas Lebesque. How are you doing Bas?

Bas Lebesque 1:04

I'm doing fine. Thank you. How are you?

Tony Winyard 1:07

I'm pretty good actually in. I think summers come to England at last. We haven't had summer for it seems like about 10 years.

Bas Lebesque 1:16

Here is like the first day we have we have we have sun here and in other I don't know for the last. Yeah, I don't know, six, six weeks or something is awful. But now happy to sun in the blue skies back.

Tony Winyard 1:32

What is it that you do Bas? How would you describe what you do?

Bas Lebesque 1:38

I'm an executive mindset coach, and I help my clients find balance, work on their mindsets, by clients are mainly like senior corporate business owners, executives. And that's an in one sentence what I what I do?

Tony Winyard 2:00

And how did you get into doing that?

Bas Lebesque 2:04

That's been a, it's been a very long and interesting journey. I think it all goes back to when I was 12 years old, my mother passed away. And I I was asking myself all these questions, or I mean, not at that particular moment, but in the years after sec, why'd Why is this happening to me? What? What would mean? What would it mean to live a fulfilled life? And how can you grow? And how can you create the best version of yourself and, you know, what happens if you had the end of your life here, you look back, you know, and you can say, you know, I've done a good job. So that's basically where that where the seat was, was planted, I think. But I went through through, through through a different journey as well where, you know, because I thought, you know, like to, to create a meaningful life, you need to be successful, you need to make a lot of money, you need to have a title, you need to have status. And so I worked towards that into first a career to hotel management, then as a financial trader. And I did have the success, and I had the bonuses, but I also came to realise that that wasn't fulfilling, or that that wasn't going to make me happy. So that was interesting, interesting challenge. And I T only way i thought i could resolve it was by by resigning and like breaking from it, which was which was difficult for me. I mean, because I was so attached to the to the status and the money. And it took me about two, three years to finally come to that decision. And it's like, Okay, enough is enough, in our view, how long are you going to keep telling yourself this story? So and that really so that was when I was like 35. That's 13 years ago. And that's also when I really started to do the deep inner work for myself. Which then was needed to go into this coaching path that I'm on right now. And I can say for myself, it is the first time I'm I'm working and it doesn't feel like work, which is an awesome feeling.

Tony Winyard 4:56

That's the point I think most people would like to achieve. Yes, yeah. And so how, how would you say, what what are your clients biggest issues before they come to you? What is it their, their concerns, their anxieties and so on?

Unknown Speaker 5:15

Well, most of them, I mean, if you would, most of them are. By they kind of feel like they're there with their back against the wall, you know, whether that whether that comes from, from, from a career or a business or a combination, or just not being as healthy as they like to be, or not having the, the energy that they that they used to have. But, I mean, it's the common thing. And, you know, they feel like they something needs to happen, something needs to change. And that's where, you know, I basically guide them out of the woods, or that's how I would, how you could describe it. They don't they know, they need to change something, but they just don't know how or they're just too attached to, to what they what they're doing or what they have. You know, they're they're working 70 hours a week, they, they think that that's the way that's always should be. That's the way they grew into it for the last 1020 years. And they just don't, they can't even imagine any more that it can be different than what you're doing at the moment. And, yeah, they can.

Tony Winyard 6:44

What kind of transformations have you helped with, with some of your clients? Can you think of any good stories?

Bas Lebesque 6:51

Oh, yeah. I mean, one of what a great story was this was this executive woman, she was managing 20,000 people. And she was talking about long term, employability vital workforce. And she basically came to me and she's like, I'm not working my talk. And I'm like, What do you mean? And she's like, these were her words, I'm fat. She was 30 kilos, overweight. And so we started looking at the site. Okay, I can help you with that. No, we started looking into that. And, you know, my initial thought was, of course, like, okay, weight loss, exercise. But then, like, we started really looking into her into her into her life, and she was working 70 hours a week, she was barely sleeping. She had five children at home, where I was like, okay, you know, how do you how I couldn't even imagine how she was managing this, you know, and she wanted, there were issues around perfectionism, and she wanted to be this perfect, perfect mom as well. So we really had to look into these into these things of like, perfectionism, but also, like the sleeping and, and nutrition as well, because it's not that she wasn't eating garbage, but there was like, no consistency, you know, the first meal will come at like, five in the afternoon. And then there could be grab something, you know, there was no no consistency in fueling the body. So, when we, when she started sleeping, it hit Yeah, it's charted started to change so many different things. She, she then had the energy to to look at our leadership which we which we dived into, and she had the energy to, to change and educate our team to work on our strategies to and of course, I mean, and then and then the ripple effect comes, you know, she starts to show up differently. In her family, her children start to respond to her differently. And one of the one of the funny things I remember her saying was like, her, her children are still very young, so it was kind of a when she was in bed, it was kind of a parade along her bedside of all these children waking her up during the night. She was sick. I think she came into a session one weekend, she's like, I think it's a coincidence, but my children haven't come to to wake me up during the night for like three days in a row. And I'm like, to really think that's cool. incidents, which is a key I must be must be safe, I don't think so, you know, your show, you're coming into your family, you know, after your day work in such a different energy, you know, you're not who you used to come run in, like feed them, like, take bait, and then, you know, then then some some book reading and it was also rushed, you know, and that and then you went back to work. So you weren't, you weren't really there, now you're there, and they'll just, they'll copy your energy. And of course, they'll, they'll start to sleep better. I mean, that I will not say you know, what you that you have usually better your children will sleep better. But, you know, if you come up, if you come into your family with a different energy, you know, your children will, will adapt to that energy, they might play better, they might sleep better, they might eat better, you know, whatever. But something you know, Dell Dell adapted, and they will they will change it as well. And that's Yeah, I mean, it was it was a phenomenal a really was a phenomenal transformation. She went she's working out 45 hours a week, and she's as effective and as efficient while not a while her results are still the same. You know, which she was creating first with a lot of like, hard hard labour. And she's she's she's doing exactly this. Well. She doing she's creating the same results. And in, what two thirds of the time?

Tony Winyard 11:41

And I guess in from what you were saying she feels much better in herself now as well?

Bas Lebesque 11:45

Oh, absolutely. I mean, she is. He has she's not she's not she's not wait her back against the wall anymore? Absolutely not. She's like, in the middle of her life. He has the she she can hear it, she can look around, she has the helicopter view instead of like, you know, had the train heading into her face or? Yeah.

Tony Winyard 12:12

The clients you're working with, Are you often working with them for just a few months? Or does it tend to be longer than that?

Unknown Speaker 12:28

Initially, I start working with them for three months. With this particular woman, I worked a year. But yeah, some like with some people make make a commitment for first six months. But that's, that's usually where it starts. But then generally three months, and then a lot of my client has day to day. They can't believe what they've realised. And in three months, I worked with another woman, she was she was she is a diabetic, and she she kind of needed to go on medication and she didn't want to. And she was like, okay, you know, let's, let's see what we can do, you know, if we can, if we can improve it, and then, you know, stay stay in touch with your doctor. And I mean, this is your decision. So and she's been she's been a diabetic for a long, long time, and she hasn't really been capable of like, dealing with it in a proper way. So we started looking into basically the way she was eating and what she was eating her emotions around eating and we, we basically turned it around in like, I was working with her for three months as well, how we were seven weeks in and I asked her sexual, you know, we're kind of halfway what do you what do you think, you know, where you're at where you were, what were your anticipating, and this was earlier this year, and she said, I can't believe where I am right now. You know, I hadn't even thought about that. I could reach it by the end of 2021 let alone you know ever in my life. You know I've been dealing with with with his diabetes for four years for such a long time. I've talked to a nutritionist I talked to specialists and and none of these people gave me what you what you gave me. And I was saying she she in her testimonial. She also said that I probably saved her life. I mean, I don't know. For me, that was the For me, that was a bit overwhelming. But it was just really like looking into the way she was eating the quantity she was eating. And I mean, in a simple way, I, I, she was eating her dinner in front of the television, a big a big, a big plate. And she was basically shoving it in. And, though and I mean, it sounds so simple. But you know, I moved her from from the couch to the dining table. And now she was in front of this plate, that enormous plate and she's like, I can't eat all this too much. No, I don't want it. So she basically cut her her dinner in half. And that was that was the trigger for losing weight, having more energy, the way she was showing up in her in her business. It was, yeah, it was a very profound transformation. And she's, she's, she's not going back and her blood sugars are, are are decreasing. They're there. And they're now at a level where she doesn't need to go on medication. And yeah, I mean, I gave her I, well, I gave her the tools. And we worked through some limiting beliefs. Because there was there was a little a lot of resistance. It's like, you know, What, are you really going to move me to the to the dining table, you know, that's never going to make a difference. But it did. And now she's, she's eating with her partner at the dining dining table. So that relationship, only for that reason is already changing to the positive. Which, yeah, I think is a great story.

Tony Winyard 16:55

When you're first working with clients, and you start identifying what you believe their issues are, as you mentioned, their self limiting beliefs and so on. I guess all of your clients are different, but how would you go about trying to help someone to make the changes they need to make to get to where they want to be?

It's really like taking tiny, tiny steps, you know, it's like, Where, where do you want to go? What do you want to what do you want to achieve? And find these we have these these tiny steps that will just take them a little bit out of their comfort zone. And then like, keep keep the momentum going. That's also why I really, you know, want to do weekly weekly meetings, I don't believe in like, bi weekly, or every two weeks or once a month, you know, it's like, you need to you need to be in action. Once they start moving, they realise it is easy. And then you know that they start speeding up and then really the momentum picks up.

Bas Lebesque 18:20

Yeah, so I was just thinking about this, this other woman that I worked with, I do work with men as well. But this this is just came up, she also an executive and she, she also had sleep issues. And she was like, Don't come to me with sleep. You know, I've been I've been sleeping five hours. I'm 45 years old. That's what I've been doing all my life. It's like, okay, I believe you said what would happen if you would be able to sleep six hours, you know, that will never happen. It's like, well, if you if this is where you start, you know, it will never happen within a way to sleeping six hours a night. And just by starting to believing it at first, you know, it's like, I want you to wake up tomorrow morning. And say, you know, it's like tonight, I'm gonna have a wonderful sleep. You know, not last night I had, it was awful. You know, who got to wake up and you got to tell yourself, I've got to have a wonderful sleep tonight. And of course, you know, we did like, we created a bit of a sleeping routine, or walk outside in the evening, you know, it's like, but she was sleeping six hours within a week where she was like, this will never happen. You know, I'm 45 years old. It's never happened in my life. And then of course I challenged her in the sec. So what would happen if you would sleep seven hours a week. He said why now you need to prove me that seven hours is the right amount of sleep. I was like, I don't have But yeah, so she, she's, she's also sleeping so much better. And that just, I mean, I think sleep is the one, the one under estimated health benefit. there is demand moment you sleep. It's an it is possible. And I have worked with so many people that said, you know, it's not possible and they all did it.

Tony Winyard 20:37

How do people get in their own way with mindset? What do you think it is that the problems people create for themselves?

Bas Lebesque 20:46

Oh, I mean, if I continue on this example, it's basically it is what it is what people do, they wake up in the morning, and they look back at last night, and they'll says, you know, this was awful night. They basically preparing themselves for the next night, like, tonight is going to be the same, you know, and this is basically this is what they, this is what they keep doing. And that they just keep repeating the past. And if you you know, if you want to create that new routine, or that new, you need to create a new mindset first, you know, if you if you if your mindset is to, to believe, you know, that you will never say more than five hours a night. That that's the result you're creating, if you have you I just spoke to, to a guy this morning. And he is an entrepreneur, and he's, he's, he's, he's had some, some failed businesses as well. And he's kind of like, the way he's like in his business now. It's like, Oh, my God, if this is not, I don't want this to fail. You know, so he's, he's, he's creating that from, from, from results in the past. And also, we're now like, really working on this, like, okay, you know, this is, this is not the past, you know, this is, you're working on something great. It's, it looks very promising, you know, don't don't even go back to that thought anymore. You know, what you're creating, now, you create it, you you are creating it from it from a completely different energy as well. You know, in the, in the past that was, that was, let's say, some substance abuse? Well, that's all gone, you know, it's in a completely different energy mindset. Of course, you know, I can't guarantee him, him the success, but you know, that or that his business will not fail, you know, there's so many factors at play. But the way I look at it, it's, it's a different, it's a totally different mindset now than it was like 10 1520 years ago. So of course, you're going to create a different result. But let you know that that what you were doing in the past, let it go. You know, don't bring that into what you're doing today.

Tony Winyard 23:21

So how did you did you have to go through the same sort of lessons in your past? How did you adapt the mindset that you've gone now?

Bas Lebesque 23:31

Oh, well, when I was when I was trading, and I wanted to, I wanted to wanted to resign. I I did, there was basically two options for me, you know, there was my, that was my trading position, or there was living on the street. There was like, nothing, there was like nothing in between. I was like, I thought I was going to lose my house. I thought I was never going to no one was ever going to hire me again. I wouldn't create I wouldn't be successful anymore. I wouldn't have any status, people would look down on me or, you know, I was telling myself all these stories, and I was, you know, I was believing them without ever really checking if they were if they were true. And that's

Yeah, when I when I took that step, I I felt so much freedom. I two weeks after I resigned I went on to I went to to Brazil and I lived in Rio for six months. But I mean, I was on when I was on that flight. I just I cried. I cried for 12 hours a day a poor man sitting next to me. I don't know what he was thinking but that's, that's fine, but I was sick, and I just needed to release all that tension and

Unknown Speaker 25:02

The tension of like, of letting go of our getting going into the unknown. And just like, and, and that was, I mean, it was, you know, the moment I arrived in Rio, it was, it was like, okay, you know, this is this new, let's see what I can make out of it. And, and I started to create that, that new mindset where I have, where have I done that? In other I do remember, like getting my first coaching client, you know, I was like, Okay, I just had this beliefs like you, you can only be a coach if you have a client. But to get a client, you know, you need to say that you're a coach. So I can't really say that I'm a coach, because I don't have any clients. And yeah, so it is maybe a bit smaller, but that was really also second, I need to I need to create this mindset that I am a coach medo and that I that I that I can do this and that I can help people. And I know that that took I wish it would only take one day, but that took took a couple of months. But that's Yeah, that's kind of like creating, creating the mindset.

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Tony Winyard 27:05

What was it that made you want to become a coach in the first place?

Bas Lebesque 27:10

I had done my I've had done my own work on on my inner my inner journey or my inner work. And I saw so many people struggling with the same with the same thing and I love hearing people's story. I love helping them. And I was like okay, this is this is something that I'm good at, you know, I have I like habit change. I people tell me I'm very disciplined person. which sometimes can be controller controller controller counterproductive. But, you know, I've worked with these things, through these things myself. But yeah, I mean, some of the stories that I told you of clients that I worked with, it's like, the, the, the recognition I get from that, or the appreciation I get from that is like, is what thrice me is? You know, I mean, I've, I've traded millions and, you know, that didn't mean anything, you know, that was never, never, never even it thank you know, or, like, you've done a great job with with this. I mean, it's like you're touching people's lives. You're, you're you can really see see the difference, you know, even within, like three months. And that's Yeah, that's what makes me happy.

Tony Winyard 29:00

What are the hardest changes that you've had to make in your own life?

Bas Lebesque 29:05

There are a few things one was getting out of out of that trading decision. The other thing which is maybe the most profound one from my inner work was the relationship with my with my, my dad. I when I when I was growing up or as a teenager, I told you my mother just passed away. And I you know, I I basically created a belief where I was like, you know, my father doesn't love me. He doesn't respect me. He is not proud of me. And I held on to that belief for probably 25 years, and it was like it was getting better. It was destroying the relationship between me and my, between me and my, my dad. And then, you know, then I came to realise that I wasn't, you know, basically, I was projecting everything onto him, you know, I wasn't loving myself, I wasn't accepting myself, I wasn't proud of myself. And the moment I started to doubt, like hidden a work, and working through these, through these limiting beliefs, the relationship with my dad completely changed. And we're, we're at a better place than we've ever been. And the funny thing about this is that he hasn't really done he hasn't really changed, you know, or he hasn't really done any inner work. But you know, and now, I, you know, there's still I mean, I can't keep working on loving myself and being proud of myself, but I mean, it that, that changed enormously. And now I can, you know, I can love him and respect him for, for who he is, and for the, for the mistakes he made. And, you know, I, I created this belief that my dad needed to be this perfect person, you know, which No dad will ever be. Like, it's so unreal, you know, but every time he did something, you know, that wasn't like, matching the picture. I created this, like, Oh, my God, he's so he's so awful. You know, he's, he's, it's like, it will never work, you know, or, and, and it's, yeah, I now know that. That's. Yeah, complete nonsense. And I'm very, very happy. I did that. That inner work, because I came to a point where I wanted to where I wanted to break with him, said, I can't deal with this anymore. But he was like, you know, I was only looking outside and never looking inside. And yeah, that it was hard work. I mean, don't Is that something which you do? Like, overnight? Yeah. It was. And it, it did feel a little bit like, like mourning in some way, where I had to let go of that, that image that, that, that that perfect image that I created. And that image never was going to be was going to be real. But I'm very, very happy that I did that.

Tony Winyard 32:51

And what you've just described is, it seems to me one of the biggest problems in all sorts of relationships, romantic relationships, family relationships, where people do expect unrealistic perfection of a parent or their partner or whatever, since there's so many cases.

Bas Lebesque 33:10

Yeah, that's, I mean, we, we create this, like this, this perfect image. And then there is the tie the real image, and you have to, you have to bring them at the same level, you know, and basically, you have to bring your perfect image down to where the other person is, you know, and accepting what is the shortest way to happiness. So if you can accept your, your father, your partner, your brother, your sister, your friend for who she who he or she is, he'll be here, it's a lot easier to be a lot happier. But if you if you look at the discrepancy between the two, and your, your focus on it will only grow and grow and grow. And that's what happened with with me and my dad, you know, it grew to a point where I was like, I had, I want to break with you. Which, I mean, there's, there's, there's been, you know, my my father is, is a really nice guy, you know, there's been no No, no trauma, no abuse, no, nothing of that kind. But the story I was creating was like, I made it so big, because I was only looking at what he wasn't instead of looking at what he was.

Tony Winyard 34:47

And from what you how you were just describing how when you realise or when you started to work on yourself to make the changes and often it seems that we can waste Very easy for us to see other people's flaws. But it's not so easy to see the flaws within ourselves. And I think No, that's the problem comes.

Bas Lebesque 35:10

Head Oh, we Yeah, I totally agree, you know, we, we look at our, well, in a way we think we're perfect. But then on the other hand, the other the other side, you know, the way we we treat ourselves, you know, we can be so cruel towards ourselves, you know, we all have this energy to no judge inside our heads, that it's just like, it's on 24 seven, you know, and, and the things your energy judge will say to you, or a say to you there, I mean, you would need you would never say that to another person. But you just keep going on saying how bad you are wrong. You are, you know, on and on and on, she'll never be you'll never get it. Other people are better. These are just like, I'm not taking quite kindly. The language we use towards ourselves is very harsh.

Tony Winyard 36:18

You mentioned about 10 minutes ago about habit change. I know you've gone through some habits that you've had to change in yourself, how, what were the most difficult habits you had to change?

Bas Lebesque 36:31

Smoking? That was that was that was I used to smoke two packs of cigarettes a day 25 years ago. And that was I mean, that was Yeah, that was that was tough. I mean, I went from the first, my first attempt I went from, I basically went from, like, 50 cigarettes a day to zero in one day. And I, I managed for about four months or something. And then I you know, I was like, I can have a cigarette on like any party or when I'm drinking or I mean, the first cigarette, yes, that worked. But you know, then it was like, weekend, and then it was like, again, two packs in a weekend. You know, not not not like two packs a day, but two packs in a weekend. And then I did another attempt and it was fine. And then I I I also remember at a certain time i was i was working night shifts. And then I told myself this rule, I can smoke when I drink so that I will come home in the morning after my night shift. And I would just drink a beer. So I could have a cigarette, you know that even like, I didn't really want the beer, but I wanted to. I wanted to cigarette but I made this deal with myself. If I drink I can have a cigarette. So long story short, I did a couple of times. And I've now I haven't smoked for I think for the last. I kind of remember when the last time was 18 years. So I will never I will never go back to that. That's such a Yeah, that was a very, very disgusting habit. And I'm so happy I'm off the bat, one of the other habits that I that I changed was drinking. And I gave up drinking four years ago. I mean, over the over the last two decades, I started to drink less and less and less. And I had like sober periods for four months. And then I did that a couple of times and and then I can talk on you know, I wanted to do another like sober period. And then I met this guy on a trip and he was like his, his brother did his suicide attempt and he just he looked at us started to look at his own life and he's like, I drink too much. I'm, I'm going to try not to drink for a year and I was like, okay, you know, I've done three, four months not drinking but a year is really a challenge. And then I said, Okay, I'm going to do that. So I started telling this to my, to my peers and they're like, what they tend to understand and they come up with all these like remarks secured funding. And you're you're not fun anymore to be around with and you need to when you weren't getting when you used to train qL a lot more fun or whatever. This is what I'm gonna do and then they started to talk about when So when is the when is the time? What day are you what day is the year COMMBUYS 27th of February, I still still remember it says the SEC, aka, hey, we're gonna get you so drunk on the on the 27th of February. And then I started to think about that as tested both ridiculous way to celebrate, that you haven't drunk for a year to get totally hammered. And that kind of like triggered me into like, giving it up completely. And I must mean, it's, it's one of the best things I've done for my mental fitness or for my well being the clarity I have in my head. And I just don't, for me personally, you know, even if I would have like two glasses of wine or whatever, wine, gin tonic beer, I would, I would feel it somehow the next day, you know, in the sense that, you know, my days, I say, normally a seven and a half out of 10. But then there'll be like, a seven minus or something, and I just don't, I just don't want that, you know, it's not for me, it's not worth these two classes of whatever, to feel

less energy The next day, or whether, you know, I want to, I don't want to wake up in the morning, and I don't want to do I don't I don't want to work, you know, because I had these two kids, I don't I don't like that feeling. You know, if I, if I wake up in the morning, you know, and not having drank the night before. And I had that thought, you know, okay, that's it is a thought, you know, and it happens occasionally. But you know, when I drink, it happens more. And that's just not what i what i want anymore. So but to pay for that there was a lot of like peer pressure, you know, and there's alcohol is so present in our, in our society, you know, the way we will Yeah, we celebrate with alcohol. And if you don't, if you don't drink, the people think you don't want to celebrate or something. And have ended. That's one, that's one thing, but there's also like, it's also used as a, as a, like a reward system, you know, after a day of hard work or a week of hard work. It's like, okay, let's have a drink. And it's such a, I mean, if you really look at it, it's like a very weird way to reward yourself.

Tony Winyard 42:53

And when, with the challenges that you've overcome with the habit change that you've done with cigarettes and alcohol and so on. Does does that make it easier to help your clients change habits that they're struggling to? To deal with?

Bas Lebesque 43:14

Yes, in a sense, that, you know, a lot of my clients when they, when they want to change a habit, you know, they think they need to get it right or perfect, you know, it's like, it's an all or nothing. attitude, where if you, I mean, if you allow yourself to fall off the waggon, you know, it becomes a lot easier to get back home, you know, where I see a lot of, like, while it doesn't really happen when my clients but I see other people, when they fall off the waggon, they just basically go back to their old routine. Now they've been working so hard, through discipline, to not smoke or to not trained or to not to or, like go go into going exercising is like it's like the like there's, it's the other way around, you know, they haven't been exercising for for for so long. And now they're like, I need to go three times a week, you know, and then from Taiko from, from zero to three times a week. I know. It's my attitude is more like let's start with once a week, you know when, if that let's create that kind of goal, you know, and see, if you want to take up another session. It's fine, but the goal is one, you know, and this is this eventually creates a lot more momentum and it becomes way more sustainable. Where if you're forcing yourself to go like three times a week. purely on discipline. This head picks hands.

Tony Winyard 45:09

Yeah, it's much harder to rely on motivation. And,

Bas Lebesque 45:13

yeah. So and he was talking about falling off the waggon if you fall off the waggon that's, that's, that's totally fine. You know, you're just like, it's just one one day one hurdle. And just this part of the process. And, like the way I I gave up the way I gave up smoking, the way I gave him drinking is a very he has, like, similar, similar journey, you know, I didn't get it right. The first time? I did, I had my is that called again? And I was seduced into having another cigarette or, or having another drink. And, and, and take me too far, you know, and, yeah. So it's these these seductions, you know, they're, they're ever present in our society, you know, whether they, whether they are marketed, or whether they are pressured on by, by by your peers. Yeah, it happens.

Tony Winyard 46:27

If people want to find out more about you, where are the best places to look?

Bas Lebesque 46:32

they can come to my tech and come to my website, which is Or they can reach me on LinkedIn as well. Under my name, Bas Lebesque, and yeah, they can contact me for the first session is always free. So if you just want to experience a free coaching session, reach out. We'll take it from there.

Tony Winyard 47:00

And just before we finish, do you have any any quotations that you particularly like?

Bas Lebesque 47:07

Yeah, are already use it. The show accepting what is the shortest way to happiness? And that's a very meaningful for me and the moment I, I get into that into like, a situation where I want it to be different, you know? Yeah. But just bring it back to, to the now and to, to what is and, and don't fight it up a lot happier.

Tony Winyard 47:43

It's, there's a lot of truth in that. It's something that I think not many people do realise.

Bas Lebesque 47:49

Now. And it's, I mean, it's, it's very, it's not, it's not easy at all, when you once you create awareness around around that, and you know, some of the things you know, life throws challenges that you and life throws misfortune at you, you know, we're and everyone, everybody gets it, you know, it's like, some carry more than others, but, you know, you will lose people in your life. You will, you will deal with with illness and, and some deal with trauma. But, yeah, for some things, you just you need to work harder to accept it. But, you know, if you That should be your kind of your, like, your end goal, to be able to look to accept it. And that's, I mean, it's easier said than done.

Tony Winyard 49:01

It's much trying to fight against reality is not a fight that is difficult. I'm not saying you're gonna win, trying to find out

Bas Lebesque 49:08

exactly, you know, you'll find it it will. It will, it will bite, you know what resist persists. Yeah, it's that's it. For bears.

Tony Winyard 49:22

It's been a it's been a pleasure speaking to for the last three quarters of an hour. So thank you for your time. Thank you, and best of luck for the future. Thank you. Next week is Episode 20. With Tim James. He runs the Chemical Free Body movement and we talk about a number of things, the power of detoxing and gut health and COVID mask awareness, toxic food, toxic food, versus food as medicine and many other areas face next week, Episode 20 with Tim James. Hope you enjoy This week's episode with Bas Lebesque. If you know anyone who you feel would get some real value from it, please do share the episode with them. And hope you have a great week.

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