Catherine Chadwick

Habits & Healthepisode 75 - Catherine Chadwick

Habits & Health episode 75 with Catherine Chadwick, An expert in transformational guidance that provides individuals and groups with insights and tools that prioritise mental fitness training, wellness, resilience, adaptability, and mindfulness.

In this episode we discuss:

  • Compassion
  • “The Sunshine Quotient”®
  • Why mindfulness is so important
  • What is meant by the “mind diet”

Favourite Quote

""It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

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75 – Catherine Chadwick

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[00:00:00] Tony Winyard: Habits Health episode 75.

[00:00:14] Tony Winyard: Welcome to another edition of Habits & health. Today, my guest, Catherine Chadwick. She is a member of the Institute of coaching. And she is an expert in transformational guidance and provides individuals and groups with insights and tools that prioritize mental fitness training. She’s also into wellness resilience adaptability and mindfulness. And in this episode, We talk about things such as The Sunshine Quotient. What is mindfulness and a lot more around those lines. So that’s this week’s episode with Catherine Chadwick. Hope you enjoy this episode. If you do, please do share it with anyone who you feel would really benefit from some of the value that, Catherine gives us in this episode

Habits & Health. My guest today is Catherine Chadwick. How are you Catherine?

[00:01:07] Catherine Chadwick: Oh, I’m very well. Tony, how are you today?

[00:01:10] Tony Winyard: I’m doing very well. I’m being ch challenged by technology, but other than that,

[00:01:15] Catherine Chadwick: Oh,

[00:01:15] Tony Winyard: fine.

[00:01:15] Catherine Chadwick: It’s interesting. Isn’t it? Because technology almost sometimes has a mind of its own.

[00:01:21] Tony Winyard: it definitely has a mind of its own today. Yeah. And it seems to be a mind that wants to try to annoy me in some way. I dunno. And we find you, so we would obviously just chatting before we started recording and you are in New York.

[00:01:34] Catherine Chadwick: Yes, I am. I’m here in Manhattan and yes, it’s a fabulous place to.

[00:01:39] Tony Winyard: There’s a lot of

[00:01:42] Catherine Chadwick: What I really love about it is there are so many different people from all walks of life and different languages and the energy is really most pleasing to me. Some people find it a little too much. But I just love the the variety, the diversity, the the different.

Not only the different languages, but the different, points of view. And I think that it’s a marvelous place to learn. That we’re all so very much the same and yet, so very different, right.

[00:02:10] Tony Winyard: city?

[00:02:14] Catherine Chadwick: I’ve lived here almost 10 years now.

[00:02:17] Tony Winyard: And did you come to New York for work or for other reasons?

[00:02:22] Catherine Chadwick: Ah I had started coming back. I was living up in the finger lakes area at the time, and I started coming back and forth from upstate here to the city to actually take some classes and learn some new things. I actually wanted to get back into the print work. Because I had been doing that when I was working in Florida.

And commercial print and acting. And so I did start taking some acting classes and I I always say I backed into that because it wasn’t something that I had done consistently. For very long, but I started reading things and being exposed to things that were different. And I was really taken in by the new experience and the new information and the new stories.

And it didn’t have anything to do with medicine or law.

And my first monologue class. Oh my goodness. I was really awful at it, but I was just so intrigued with all of the. The writing and the stories and the power of language and the power of stories. That one thing led to another. And now I’m here full time and I love it.

[00:03:32] Tony Winyard: And so what was the impetus, why did you decide to do that in the first place? Mm-hmm.

[00:03:37] Catherine Chadwick: I had been thinking that when my children were getting out of college, I would go back to college myself and get a master’s in healthcare administration. I’m a nurse by profession and. I would be great at it, but while the kids were growing up, I had made myself a a position in the law office and, and so I worked part-time so I could have time with my children.

I didn’t really want the nanny. I, and I wanted to be able to Be together with them as they were growing up. Of course I grew up just as much as they did. . Yeah. And but I thought as I, the time got closer for me to actually start making application to graduate school I did not want to trade one desk for another.

And that’s what it seemed like to be. And I just, I’m always very creative. I like to be outside. I like to make things, I like to write things. I’m yeah I’m good at systems and solutions. And so I’m always solution oriented and looking for ways to do things a little differently or maybe improve something.

And I was very much interested in something much more active.

[00:04:43] Health

[00:04:43] Tony Winyard: You mentioned there about that you did nursing and about the healthcare and I get the impression health has been quite an important part of your life for quite a while?

[00:04:54] Catherine Chadwick: Oh, absolutely. In fact, it’s interesting. No one was really talking to me about going to college and I just knew that I was going to college and I didn’t know quite what. And but my grandmother. Was a nurse and she was the director of nurses at a small local hospital, upstate and she was widowed at a very young age.

And I just saw that she was very much involved not only in the community, but with her work and that she could support herself. And everybody loved. And I was good at math and science, and I knew that I could do that. And I went, okay. So I went to the library. This was before computers, right?

Talk about technology and how quickly that has progressed. Oh my gosh. And I, made one application to the top nursing school in New York state at the time. And I went there on work study. I went to Alfred univers. And got my bachelor’s in nursing. And my first job was working at a small hospital in Florida and that progressed, I worked ICU and that progressed into nurse Ivy therapy and then nurse home, Ivy therapy. And I didn’t work in nursing for some time as the children were growing up, it was the dual careers in the household and childcare doesn’t always mix well. And yes, it’s and you can absolutely understand why people get so frustrated, with that particular situation.

And I I just made a decision that I was. Going to allow that to work for all of us. And so I just did different things and move for flexibility and creativity and opportu. And so it worked very well. And so yeah, it’s been interesting. So then after the kids were getting outta college, I started coming back and forth from upstate to the city to learn these new things.

And I started working as a nurse Ivy therapist in people’s homes. And that was when I got ideas for home care. And I started a wellness education and management company called you’ve got nurse. and it was during that time, I went for a certification in the applied positive psychology, and that led to more information.

[00:07:10] The Sunshine Quotient

[00:07:10] Catherine Chadwick: And that was really the time period where I started Working with the sunshine quotient. And that actually it came to me, I think, as a download, people were saying, oh my gosh, you’re just so bright all the time. What are you doing? And I’d say, oh, I have a high sunshine quotient. I’m like, oh, okay.

What I can feel it, but how do I articulate this to people? And then I found that sunshine quotient is a term that re refers to lighting gradients in photography and radiology. And I apply it to people because you can see that we each have a unique level of brightness of radius. And I believe it’s a reflection of your level of vibration, right?

[00:07:52] Mindfulness

[00:07:52] Catherine Chadwick: Because we’re all vibrational and light beings. And so I’m like, oh, this is fabulous because it’s visual, it’s visceral. And I started using it with patients to teach them a mindfulness practice. And if you can visualize that you’re just breathing in the light. And of course that deep breath stimulates your, vagus nerve, which stimulates the parasympathetic nervous side of your nervous system, the calming side.

And so it, it serves two purposes because if you feel like you’re glowing from the inside out and. Your heart’s glowing and your heart’s getting bigger and you’re just glowing from the inside out. And you’re also stimulating that vagus nerve. You do feel calmer and it does start to initiate a mindfulness practice for people, or if they already have a mindfulness practice, it’s just a little bit of a boost that you can add to a present mindfulness practice.

But I think to being mindful and having a mindfulness practice really opens up a person’s path to self discovery and learning, raising their level of awareness and really what makes them.

[00:09:03] Tony Winyard: Is there any or much connection between The Sunshine Quotient and an emotional quotient? As it emotional intelligence?

[00:09:13] Catherine Chadwick: Oh, I think so. Yes, absolutely. Because the brighter you are it actually raises your vibration, which is going to take you further up the emotional scale. Which AC gives you more exposure to your emotions, more access to your emotions, and then you will develop a higher emotional quotient, a higher EQ as as you mentioned.

And it it’s very much connected.

[00:09:39] Tony Winyard: How do you help people with this? Is it something that you do through a coaching practice or do you do talks and workshops or how is it you help people?

[00:09:49] Mental fitness training

[00:09:49] Catherine Chadwick: I do workshops. I do work with people individually and I work with groups. I refer to myself really as a mental fitness trainer. Yeah, I have a background in martial arts and I have a third degree black belt in was and Ru karate, which is a traditional karate that was initiated by master Heidi O Chi.

And I believe that understanding systems and strategies and practices to get proficient. At a certain skill or thought process and to get to the next level, and then starting that next level with the open mind, the fresh mind which kind of leads me to one of my favorite sayings, this quote that I landed on that long ago by mark Twain.

This is great. “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what, for sure. That just ain’t so”

and I really love that because, we are light beings and we’re emitting light and information. And and there’s always new information coming our way. So as far as a decision making process absolutely you would want to make the decision based on the information that you have, however, I think it’s important to be open to new information, coming your way and evaluate whether, how much consideration do you want to give that new information?

Is it going to make a difference? And you do have the opportunity to decide again, if need be right.

[00:11:24] Tony Winyard: It’s when you mention that quotation, one of the things that went through my mind is I think on both sides of the Atlantic at the moment, the politicians that we have, and that you have could really do with understanding that

[00:11:37] Catherine Chadwick: Oh,

[00:11:37] Tony Winyard: because

[00:11:37] Catherine Chadwick: Tony, I don’t disagree with you on that.

[00:11:41] Tony Winyard: Because they’re so rigid with their opinions and such a lack of flexibility and open-mindedness.

[00:11:47] Catherine Chadwick: Yes. Yes. It is fascinating because we think about 60 to 70,000 thoughts in one day and 90% or more of those are the same as the day before and the day before and the day before that. People are dragging the yesterdays along with them all of the time. And there’s that little narrow window.

[00:12:11] Awareness of one’s own beliefs

[00:12:11] Catherine Chadwick: That many people don’t have a big awareness of. And what I really like to work with people on is helping them to understand the beliefs that they’re operating with. And evaluating those to are they really their beliefs that, that serve them or are they beliefs that have been handed down from generations and just accepted?

And I believe that evaluation is a huge part of this because I really believe that much of how to. The progress that’s fulfilling for people is to evaluate what their purpose is. Why do they do what they do? Because I believe that it’s important to unlearn the things that don’t serve.

And relearn new things.

Things that do serve we have a lot of systems in place that don’t serve people to a real high, positive benefit.

[00:13:10] Tony Winyard: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:11] Catherine Chadwick: And that’s of course that’s my perspective.

[00:13:14] Tony Winyard: I heard a discussion. I can’t remember where it was, but they were talking about especially elderly people who are maybe not very happy within themselves often are the ones who are always reminiscing, always looking at the past and they don’t have anything to look forward to.

Whereas the people who tended to be happier have something to look forward to. And I don’t know why, but I get the impression that some of your work kind of touches upon this, or would I be.

[00:13:44] Catherine Chadwick: Oh, absolutely because it’s important to relearn a way of life over 90% of health illnesses and conditions are lifestyle induced and it’s right. So it’s important to evaluate how you’re operating. How are you treating your system? And I talk to a lot of people. Almost everybody about the mind diet and how you talk to yourself.

[00:14:17] The golden rule

[00:14:17] Catherine Chadwick: The self talk is critical. As far as the benefits of treating yourself kindly. And as you would really want to be treated, it’s somewhat, it’s pretty much like that golden rule, treat other people like you want to be treated, but start with yourself. And I do believe that having a vision is important because the past is tied up in that over 90% that you keep dragging with.

And being able to focus on a vision what it is that you want.

And then. It’s almost like a business plan to have scaffolding images between point a and point B. It’s important to be able to visualize those things. It’s very much like planning a vacation and you do the research, where you want to go, what kind of vacation you want.

You get the directions and alright, so you hit a few detours along the way, but you still have your eye on where you’re going to land. And people are always very excited about going on vacation and the people that I know for myself, I know what my vision is, and that gets me up and gets me fired up every day.

And it also allows me to establish the intentions of how I want to be during the day. How do I want my day to go? Because it helps me keep my decisions to myself because I have my eye on the prize.

[00:15:50] Tony Winyard: And the people that, you’re working with, what are the reasons they come to you in the first place? What are the issues that they’re facing?

[00:15:58] Catherine Chadwick: they are professionals or creatives. And they have an inkling or more than an inkling that there’s so much more available to living life than what they’re actually experiencing. And some people might refer to it as being stuck. Others are just not happy. With the way that life is going for them.

And they don’t have a clear understanding of how to make the changes. And I think that’s I believe that a lot of it comes down to understanding the basics. Of how the mind works and doing that evaluation on what beliefs, they’re operating on at that point, do those beliefs serve them and what steps can be taken to reprogram themselves basically, and create Habits that actually do serve them, and also understanding that we do live in the universe of energy and vibration.

[00:17:05] The law of vibration

[00:17:05] Catherine Chadwick: We are energetic and vibrational beings and understanding that there’s polarity involved as well. And a lot of people understand and have heard they have a basic understanding possibly of the law of attraction which is actually a secondary law to the law of vibration. And there’s a polarity that’s involved there.

It’s like a battery it’s not good or bad. It’s a positive and a negative, but it’s like how a battery operates and the desire is a positive charge and the expectation that it’s actually. Going to come to fruition is the negative charge. And so having the desire and a lot of worry and doubt is going to cause a person to be stagnated and understanding that the expectation has to be in place with that desire.

and that’s where a lot of the work of having a vision, a purpose, a destination in mind is to keep that expectation up and running on a level that is commensurate with the positive, charge of the desire. And so I think I just love, showing people how these things work, because it makes such a huge difference for everybody.

[00:18:29] Tony Winyard: And does that, does it matter about what age they are? Is this relevant for anyone regardless of age, or is it more helpful for people of a particular age group?

[00:18:38] Catherine Chadwick: I think it’s helpful for everybody across the board. Of course. Some people are more receptive obviously than others and I’m not, I won’t say a lot about it right now because I don’t have all of the operational pieces in place yet, but I am developing a children’s program for the sunshine quotient, because I believe that it, the younger you are and understanding how the universe and the body actually operate in concert the better off everybody is because it’s much healthier that.

[00:19:12] Tony Winyard: And so have you worked with any children around this? How easy is it for them to understand the concept?

[00:19:18] Catherine Chadwick: I uh, not worked with an extensive number of children. I have had the marvelous opportunity of speaking with people that do work with children, and they’re very encouraging and are interested in collaborating. Which is so fun. And because I believe that the more that we all collaborate, the more momentum we get.

[00:19:41] Collaboration vs competition

[00:19:41] Catherine Chadwick: And I believe that’s important. I believe more in collaboration than competition. And I believe that if what we can do to lift each other up is a beautiful way to live. I do think that in talking with children they don’t quite understand the concept of a mind diet, like an adult, understands that.

But I talk with children in regard to their mind is like a, a. And this is not, a new concept, this has been talked about, I believe for however long, but what you plant in your garden is what grows. If you want to have a beautiful, happy fulfilling garden, you have to put those thought seeds in there and cultivate. And understand that just like in a garden you have to pull the weeds you have to tend to it. You have to, spend some time with it and not go digging up the seed. Wondering what happened to it? It’s that expectation of when you put that seed in the ground, you put that thought seed in there and it’s a good seed, right?

And so you just have that expectation that a good thing is going to come up and grow from that. And so they absolutely understand about the mind garden and they get excited about that.

The other thing I love to do with kids is and I started doing this with my grandchildren who are ages five and eight and five and a half.

And so at the one household with my daughter, the there’s a five year old and an eight year old and EDTA is five and Asher is eight. And I took with me a a make your own movie kit one weekend and it’s really fabulous because you can take out the backdrop and you can put the little figures together to make different characters with the different wardrobe and hair and whatnot, and there’s information.

As far as what app you can download for a stop motion app on your phone. And so you set it up and you set up the character and you take a still. Take a photograph and move the character a little bit, take another, still move the character a little bit, take a still. And then the app, puts all the still photographs together to make the video.

And so it didn’t take the kids long at all to really understand that if they didn’t have a clear story, if they didn’t have a setup as to how to move the characters, to tell the story. That the video, they didn’t like the video. And so that led us to the storyboard and talking more about the mind garden and how to plant the seeds.

And then that led to, you know, creating a more um, specific story. More specific actions. And I thought, oh my gosh, this is just so reflective of what we do every day. Because if each day adds up, and we, haven’t done a very good job of telling the story on all those days but the gist of it is, if you don’t tell a good story every day, then your year end review might not be what you want. . So I think that attention to detail and specificity, and really having clarity on what it is that you want.

And if you don’t have that clarity, it’s worth taking the time to do a little research and have a greater understanding of the idea that you have in mind to hone that in a little bit, to be more specific about it. I think that serves people very well.

[00:23:17] Tony Winyard: A few minutes ago, you talked about behaviors and trying to get people to adopt new behaviors.

Is that an easy process or how is that process?

[00:23:26] Reprogramming behaviours

[00:23:26] Catherine Chadwick: I believe that some reprogramming. Is more challenging than others. It depends on how long that old program has been in place and how often that program is actually employed, how,

[00:23:44] Tony Winyard: right

[00:23:44] Catherine Chadwick: ingrained it is. And I also believe that it is much easier to reprogram. If you make a clear decision that’s what you’re doing.

If somebody goes into it. Well, I guess I’ll try this and see if it works. typically doesn’t go very far. It’s very much like that old saying by Henry Ford, if you think it’s going to work, it will. And if you don’t think it’s going to work, it won’t and either way you’re right. so I I believe that having that the proper mind diet, creating that mindset and having a clear decision.

And having a clear purpose makes everything so much more free flowing in the direction that you want to go in.

[00:24:32] Tony Winyard: I know you’ve got you’ve got a virtual workshop coming up. Was it this week? The, a mental fitness training and intro workshop.

[00:24:39] Mental fitness workshops

[00:24:39] Catherine Chadwick: Oh, yes. Yes. I’m doing that on Thursday. The 26th. Yep. And that’s at 10 o’clock in the morning. Eastern standard.

[00:24:46] Tony Winyard: This podcast will have been released after that. So is this something you do on a regular basis?

[00:24:53] Contact details for Catherine

[00:24:53] Catherine Chadwick: Oh, absolutely. I will. You can always find what out what’s going on my website of the art of self craftsmanship.org. And you can also get to that website through the sunshinequotient.org. I’ve combined them. And there’s on the menu tab. You’ll find webinar. And typically the most current one that you can register for is at the top.

And I do have a couple there’s an intro to the sunshine quotient which is actually embedded in the site. You can actually take a look at that and I don’t require you to hand over your email address. And I do have another presentation that I’ve done that is free access at all a as well and is direct.

And you don’t have to sign up for anything. You can also sign up. I have a contact form there for you can sign up for a newsletter that I do quarterly and I also have a free download for energy principles and universal laws in intro to that. And I believe that there’s a fair amount of information on the website and there are also what I call sunshine modules.

And I have also have a five module. Program that is inclusive, the five modules in the one program called harvesting the good. And I think it’s important to be able to, a lot of things experiences that we have in life were not anticipated and maybe are less than what we had hoped for that time.

But the circumstances, the circumstance and how to navigate and really make the best out of everything because I believe that there’s always a choice that can be made. And sometimes we’re forced into making choices, right? because the circumstance has changed a bit. However it the choices actually become quite easy when you’re more connected with yourself and you understand your power.

And I think that’s where the solidarity with yourself comes in to, to play, to make it a very fulfilling and energetic life.

[00:27:07] Positive psychology

[00:27:07] Tony Winyard: You talked to earlier about positive psychology. And I don’t know if it’s a phrase that many people will be familiar with. And I get the impression from when you talked about it, were you involved in this in the early days? Because I think this started in, was it the early seventies, something like that.

And so how early were, did you get involved in this

[00:27:27] Catherine Chadwick: I got my certification in that in applied positive psychology in I think 2016 or 17. But I think that I had been practicing it for quite a long time without really realizing that’s what I was doing and what I really like about them starting to do that. And if you look at look up Martin Seligman he was the he’s referred to often as the founder or the father of applied positive psychology.

He started focusing on what was going well in a person’s life. Versus what was not going well and you know how to fix it.

And so I like to think of it as the old balance scale. And so you’ve got things that are going well and things that aren’t going well, and it’s always in flux because it’s never, a static thing.

And so if you can move yourself over. To be putting more positive thoughts and focusing on what’s going well, then this is gonna be weightier than the things that aren’t going so well. And then you get more positive momentum going. It’s interesting because I have heard several people say that, that positive thinking doesn’t work. I think that there is a line between focusing on what’s going well, versus just ignoring everything and being delusional and saying that everything is just great. And there is a difference there, but I do believe in the momentum let’s build on what’s working.

[00:29:07] Tony Winyard: And people do tend to I think it’s human nature. We’ve got a tendency to dwell on the negative.

[00:29:12] Catherine Chadwick: Oh it’s absolutely a ne what they refer to as a negative default because it goes into that survival mode, always looking out to see what’s coming and what’s lurking around the corner, right? Yeah.

[00:29:23] Tony Winyard: Yeah,

[00:29:24] Catherine Chadwick: Yeah, it’s a survival mechanism and it’s important to, to realize that as well. And it’s interesting because not everything that would be impeding our survival.

Hundreds of years ago are the same, but yet there are many things that do affect our survival. As far as the health of our survival there’s so much information coming at us now. It’s way more than we can possibly utilize. And I believe that becoming discerning as to what information you’re actually going to expose yourself to and allow in as much as you can makes a big difference for you.

[00:30:07] Tony Winyard: Yeah. We’re staying with positive psychology. Cuz one of the questions I always ask my guests is about a book that has really moved you. And I know, I mean you’ve already told me the book that you’re going to mention, which is. Staying within positive psychology. So what is the book that, or the books that have really moved you?

[00:30:24] Barbara Fredrickson

[00:30:24] Catherine Chadwick: It’s fun because I was just talking. I teach a small class on life mastery and we were talking, we’re working on a several weeks on a topic of love. And there are two books by Barbara Fredrickson and her research, and one is positivity and the next one is Love 2.0.

And it’s all about relationships and what she has found in her research. And I think that it really comes down to finding how to love yourself first and fill yourself up.

And then you have the capacity. To, have more meaningful relationships and and have more connection with people. And I think that those are fabulous books that, that have really moved me. And actually it was my introduction to the positivity book.

That Dr. Dan Thomas solo introduced me to Barbara Fredrickson’s work. That actually made me believe that the sunshine quotient was actually a viable teaching tool and project for me. And so I think that’s why I am so taken with her work, which has really introduced oh my gosh.

So many more things to. And right now I also use a lot of work research that’s been done by Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. Joe Dispenza about the metacognition and the neuroscience and epigenetics. And there’s so much research that’s going on right now. That’s very, not only illuminating, but it’s exciting.

[00:32:06] Tony Winyard: Yeah, I haven’t read positivity, but I have read love two point. Oh, it’s a, yeah, it’s a fabulous book. Really. I definitely would recommend people to, to get hold of that book.

[00:32:16] Catherine Chadwick: Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[00:32:17] Tony Winyard: We touched upon how people can find that more about you. You’re on social media, on LinkedIn and Facebook and Instagram.

And so, and what was, can you remind me of what was your website?

[00:32:27] Catherine Chadwick: It’s www.theartofselfcraftsmanship.org

craftsmanship.org.

[00:32:33] Tony Winyard: okay. So people went to find out more about you. Are they the best places to look or which of your social media do you tend to use more? Okay.

[00:32:42] Catherine Chadwick: I’m getting to be a little more active on LinkedIn at this point. I did put together a professional page on Facebook and it’s connected to my personal page. But I think Catherine Chadwick consulting would be More informative on Facebook and that’s the Catherine Chadwick consulting is the same on Instagram.

[00:33:06] Quote from Catherine

[00:33:06] Tony Winyard: right. and finally to finish. I always ask to finish the episodes is I always ask what is a quote that really resonates with you, but you’ve already used this quote earlier in the episode. So I wonder if you have a, another quotation that sticks with you, for whatever reason, that you really like

[00:33:25] Catherine Chadwick: I can give you a a quote of my own. , let’s go with that, right? Because “what you focus on is what you get and what you tolerate is what you teach”.

[00:33:38] Tony Winyard: And when did you come up with that?

[00:33:41] Catherine Chadwick: I’ve been saying those for years, even before I got into actually teaching all of this with people, it gosh, I started, even when the kids were little, it’s okay, you have to focus on what you want, focus on. What you focus on is what you get. And so it’s it’s fascinating to me that Innately I’ve known a lot of these things and I love having the information to bring more of it out of me and put this all together because I really believe that this information is highly valuable to everybody.

[00:34:15] Tony Winyard: Absolutely. Catherine, thank you very much for your time. It’s been a real pleasure and yeah. Hope hopefully people will find out more about or dig into mental fitness training and find out more about it.

[00:34:25] Catherine Chadwick: I believe that this can be fun. I don’t think that self development has to be a chore.

[00:34:31] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:34:31] Catherine Chadwick: it’s an adventure,

[00:34:33] Tony Winyard: Absolutely.

[00:34:35] Catherine Chadwick: Tony. Thank you so much for having me. I it’s been a delightful conversation with you.

[00:34:40] Tony Winyard: Thank you, Catherine.

[00:34:42] Next week, episode 76 – Jo Shurety

[00:34:42] Tony Winyard: Next week is episode 76. with Joanna Shurety. She is a health coach and she works one to one with individuals and also with companies. And her focus is on working with individuals to build resilience so that they navigate changes and challenges in life in a healthy way. And she’s been doing this for a while, and it’s a really interesting conversation. How corporate wellness programs work within companies. And also how she works with individuals. So that’s next week with Jo Shurety. If you know anyone who’d get some real value from this week’s episode with Catherine please do share it with them and i hope you have a fabulous week

[00:35:42] Tony Winyard:

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