Dr. Gil Kajiki

Habits & Health episode 85 - Dr. Gil Kajiki - A different approach to thyroid-related conditions

Habits & Health episode 85 with Dr. Gil Kajiki, the author of Sick, Tired, Untreated and Abandoned: How the Medical Community Fails Hashimoto’s Patients and How You Can Get Your Life Back. He is a Certified Functional Medicine Practitioner, Chiropractor, and patient educator with clients on 4 continents.

His clientele include celebrities, corporate leaders, women stressed by family life and work, computer programmers, athletes, homemakers, radio show hosts, admin assistants, health practitioners and doctors. At the Valley Thyroid Institute, he and his staff are revolutionising the way that hypothyroidism and Hashimoto’s Autoimmune Thyroid are diagnosed and corrected using drug-free solutions.
His wife became ill with what at first appeared to be Epstein Barr. As he watched his wife’s health deteriorate under the care of several doctors, Dr. Kajiki began a relentless search for answers to why his healthy wife could become so ill and yet no one seemed to know how to care for her. After more than two years of tests, medication, B12 shots, and finally hospitalisation, it was her husband and not her medical provider who came to her rescue.
After countless hours of study, consultation with colleagues, and testing, Dr. Kajiki diagnosed his wife with Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, an autoimmune condition that attacks the thyroid. He spent the next several months treating her autoimmune condition through natural supplements, lifestyle modifications, and dietary changes. She is now symptom free and doesn’t take any thyroid medication.
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[00:00:00] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Welcome Habits to the Habits episode where we believe creating healthy Habits should be easy brought to you by an educator and coach for anyone who wants to create a healthier life. Here’s your host, Tony Winyard.

[00:00:19] Tony Winyard: Welcome to another edition of Habits & Health. My guest today, Dr. Gil Kajiki, who’s the author of Sick, Tired, Untreated and Abandoned, which is about how the medical community fails Hashimoto’s patients, and how you can get your life. He’s a certified functional medicine practitioner, chiropractor and patient educator with clients, and he’s been working on four different continents.

His clientele includes celebrities, corporate leaders, women stressed by family life and work programmers, computer programmers, athletes, and and many others. So we dig into. So a lot more about Hashimotos, autoimmune conditions, thyroid, and and so on. So that’s this week’s episode with Dr. Gil, Gil Kaki. If you 91 who would get some value for this, maybe 91 who’s got some autoimmune conditions, please do share the episode with them and hope you enjoy.

This week’s episode,

Habits & Health. My guest today is Dr. Gil Kaki. How are you, Gil?

[00:01:19] Dr. Gil Kajiki: I’m great. Good morning, Tony. Thank you.

[00:01:22] Tony Winyard: And well, it’s good to see you. And we are, you were just telling me you are in Colorado.

[00:01:26] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Yes, I’m in northern Colorado, about 30 minutes south of Wyoming.

[00:01:31] Tony Winyard: And you were saying you, you much prefer this to where you were before.

So what, what was it that made you.

[00:01:39] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Um, you know, I needed to get out of Los Angeles more than I needed to get to Colorado. Um, I, I’m one of the few people that I lived in the San Fernando Valley suburb of Los Angeles for my entire life. I mean, I literally lived within a 20 mile radius of where I was born, and I’ve been there long enough to know why people go to Los Angeles and why people.

And I’m one of the ones where it just got too crowded, too expensive, too dirty, too political, too many people who were, have entitlements and I just needed to get out of there.

[00:02:20] Tony Winyard: And so how did you go about choosing somewhere to go?

[00:02:24] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Um, I’m an outdoors guy, so I love the mountains. I love the rivers, the lakes, the streams, nature.

And I needed to be somewhere where it was an outdoor area, it was an outdoor state, and I was in nature and I mean, it’s so beautiful. I look out my front door and I see the Rocky Mountains every single morning, and I’m literally 20 minutes from the nearest mountain range and river where it’s just so, so clean.

Yeah. So it’s just, it’s, it’s a beautiful place to

[00:02:59] Tony Winyard: be. So from, from the way you just described that there was a sounded, there was very little stress, and I’m wondering if there was a lot more stress where you were before.

[00:03:10] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Anyone who lives in Los Angeles knows what the stress level’s like. I mean, there are just inherent stresses in Los Angeles that you just can’t reduce that are beyond your control.

And because it really started to get so bad, I had to get out of Los Angeles, and like I said, it could, it could have been Utah, it could have been Montana’s, it could have been, you know, any of these other kind of outdoor states near mountain range. But, um, Colorado just seemed ideal. For me, and it was, it was a, it was a great choice and I just, I love it.

I, I mean, I honestly have zero stress and what little stress I have compared to other people’s stresses. I don’t complain one bit.

[00:03:55] Tony Winyard: Well, I get the feeling we are gonna come back to stress in this episode, but let’s get into who, if I asked you the question, who are you, how would you respond to that?

[00:04:08] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Gosh, that’s a, that’s a tough question. You’re making me think about myself. Um, you know, I’m, I’m pretty much just an ordinary guy. I’m an average person. I, I don’t like to be in the spotlight. Um, I don’t like to be in front of cameras per se, and I kind of lay low, you know, beneath the radar. Um, but when my doctor self comes out, um, I don’t necessarily want to be in the spotlight, but I want to be there for people.

I want to be there to answer questions, give them information, give them hope, give them some solutions, and that when that professional self of me comes out, um, I really want to be in that type of arena. , but outside of that, you won’t hear about me. You won’t see me. I shut off my phone, I shut off my internet, I shut off my email, and I’m just outdoors in nature, soaking up the environment.

So

[00:05:11] Tony Winyard: that streak, you talked about wanting to help people. Can you remember when that first surface, So I’m presuming that was as a child, or when, when’s your first recollection?

[00:05:23] Dr. Gil Kajiki: I, you know, I don’t think it was a child. I mean, unlike a lot of people, I, I’m not in a profession where I said, I always wanna do this.

I always wanna help people. I think it came out when I finally got outta college, I. I didn’t even know what I wanted to do or be when I got outta college. Right. And I just kind of picked the first thing that my friends had told me they were doing and what I had thought about. And it was either gonna be an attorney or a physical therapist.

And then from being a physical therapists came chiropractic. And then I was horrible student. Horrible. When I was in academics, I. I was horrible, but when I got into clinical sciences, I realized, Wow, I’m really good at this. I’m really good at putting it together and applying it. And when I realized as a chiropractor, I could use just my hands to get people out of pain, out of discomfort, reduce their physical stresses.

Then I really wanted to do it right. Then I realized I had a skill that I wanted to apply and I wanted to help people in that arena. And that’s when I really started to wanna help people. And then my wife came down with Hashimotos about 13 years ago, and I didn’t know how to fix her, right. And I had to rely on.

My colleagues and seminars and books and online information to figure out how to fix her. And when I finally did get her fixed and got her resolved of her hush motos, naturally with the help of my friends and all these other resources, I realized, wow, she’s probably not the only person who feels this way.

There’s probably a lot of other people out there. Yeah. And so I went into functional medicine. With the specialty of autoimmune and thyroid. And at that point is when I realized, wow, this is where I get my personal satisfaction from. Right? Getting somebody out of their discomfort from an autoimmune condition or a thyroid condition that the conventional medicine doctors couldn’t help them with.

Right. And now that was way more personal rewarding to. And being a chiropractor and helping them with back pain and neck pain and headaches, because now I change their life. They’re able to play with their grandkids, they’re able to work, they’re able, they’re able to have a full day of a productive life.

And I could never do that as a chiropractor. Right. And I think that’s really when it kind of kicked into high years after my wife’s Hashimoto’s condition got resolved.

[00:08:11] Tony Winyard: Wow. So do you specialize now in Hashimotos or all auto autoimmune conditions?

[00:08:17] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Um, I specialize mostly in Hashimotos, mostly because people come to me with their Hashimotos conditions, right?

Um, they, they, they tend to seek me out because conventional medicine couldn’t help them. They’re taking their thyroid medication, they’re not getting better. So they start scouring the internet and they come across my information and they already come to me saying, Hey, I have Hashimoto. , I’m not getting any help from anybody.

Hey, I have low thyroid. I’m not getting help. Hey, I have this, uh, autoimmune disease and nobody can. So they kind of come to me already knowing what they have. Right. And I help them find solutions for that.

[00:08:58] Tony Winyard: And when they come to you, I get this feeling from what you just said, they’ve tried many different places and just been, nothing’s worked for them.

So they’re maybe quite down and almost like ready to give up or, or what would you say?

[00:09:12] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Yeah, I mean, many, many times the conversation. Look, you’re my, you’re my last hope. Okay. If, if it’s not you, if you can’t help me, I’m just gonna give up. Cuz I’ve been to, you know, I’ve been to what they say as every doctor, No one’s been to every doctor, but in their world.

Yeah. Right. They’ve been to every doctor. Their insurance will cover, they’ve been to every doctor there, uh, relatives or friends or colleagues have told them about. , Uh, I mean, even if you’ve been to four doctors, it seems like a million of them. Yeah. And when you don’t get any help, it seems like you’ve had it forever.

Yeah. And yeah, they, they kind of come to me in this down almost desperate state of needing some kind of answer to their condition.

[00:10:00] Tony Winyard: So, I mean, obviously every, every patient’s different, but once you start working with them and start turning things around, What would you say will be an average? How long does it, does it take for them to start realizing, Wow, things are actually changing?

Yeah.

[00:10:15] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Um, well, that’s always a fear of theirs. A fear of theirs is always what if I don’t get better? Right? And I have this criteria that I use personally, and that is you should be feeling noticeably better in about six to eight weeks. Because that’s enough time for me to do my work to implement some protocols for you to really give it a good try.

And if you’ve done what I’ve asked you to do, right, and I’ve done the proper protocols, you should be feeling noticeably better in about six to eight weeks. Now that doesn’t mean you will be, sometimes it’s 12 weeks, sometimes it’s two weeks. Yeah, but you should be at, No, at six to eight weeks, you should be saying, you know, I think this is working.

I think I may be on the right track. Let me just keep going and see if I keep feeling better. So that’s my criteria.

[00:11:14] Tony Winyard: And I would assume that from when they realize, Wow, I am feeling better, it just starts to compound because then they, they start believing a lot more and so on.

[00:11:25] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Yes, it’s very exponential and it just, it kills me.

And I mean, it breaks my heart when I hear people. I’ve been working with the same doctor for three years, and I’ve had no results. I’ve been working with the same doctor for a year, and I’m worse, and it just kills me because now that’s their, that’s their relativity coming to me is that, you know, how, why, why would I believe it’s gonna be any different with you?

I’ve done this already for seven years, three years, and I’ve had no results. So I kind of tell them the same thing I just told you, like six to eight weeks I get reports that they’re feeling noticeably better. So we’re gonna use that as a gauge. So

[00:12:13] Tony Winyard: in, in obviously in the last couple of years, everything’s changed in, in many different areas, you know, And so now many people are seeing people as we are now remotely.

So are you in what you do, are you able to see people remotely or do you need to see them face to face?

[00:12:30] Dr. Gil Kajiki: No, I’ve, uh, I’ve, gosh, I’ve created protocols where I’m only remote, right? So whether I’m in Colorado or California, or , you know, Russia, it doesn’t matter where I am, I could work with anybody as long as they get a phone signal, an internet signal, and get delivery, I, I can work with anybody in the world.

[00:12:54] Tony Winyard: And so, have you had patients from like, very far away from where you are now?

[00:13:00] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Oh many. Yeah, I, I’ve been doing strictly remote for probably seven years and I, I’ve had patients in New Zealand, Kastan, Italy, France, Germany, um, you know, all, probably all 50 states for sure. Canada, uk. I mean, it’s just like I said, every anywhere that you can get mail delivery, a phone signal, or an enter signal.

I can work with you. The toughest part about working remotely with people is that they don’t always have accessibility to the testing. . And so that’s the reason why I’m able to work with people remotely and not physically see them, is because I have testing that I can give them or access them to, Right?

And that gives me the information I need to create my treatment plan. Right? And

[00:13:53] Tony Winyard: so once you. Once you’re able to, to turn the situation around, then they start improving. Do they, do they then some, Well, I’m trying to word this question right. Would they just carry on working with you for a few more years or would they then go back to their medical doctor?

How would that work?

[00:14:14] Dr. Gil Kajiki: I think that’s personal choice. Um, I’ll tell you, you know, my wife having Hashimotos, it’s not, it’s not like a broken bone. You don’t cure it. Right. You don’t. Do protocols cure it and it’s, and it’s gone forever. There are flareups, there are situations where you have to really watch what’s going on and, and you can manage an autoimmune condition, but you can’t cure it.

So you have to constantly be on it. So I always give people the option after their initial phase of working with me. Do you want to continue? working with me on a lesser or same basis, or do you wanna stop and go off on your own choices? Up to you. and inevitably, you know, either finances or time or some kind of barrier comes up where they’re unable to work with me or they choose not to work with me.

Um, and then that’s a tough situation because they still have their Hashimotos, they still have their autoimmune condition, they still have their authority issue. And it’s not uncommon for me to get calls two years later, three years later, Oh, I’m back to where I was. I, my diet went. Crap, and I didn’t do what I was supposed to do.

So ideally it’s best to have this coach with you and Chuck in with them periodically throughout the year, but life gets in the way sometime and and they just don’t do that. So

[00:15:36] Tony Winyard: thinking about autoimmune conditions are, is there any of them that are much harder to treat than any others? Or is it sort of similar results for.

[00:15:48] Dr. Gil Kajiki: No, there, there are definitely degrees of difficulty with different auto immunities, but I think it’s some of the other factors that make that more complicated. Like a brain autoimmunity is very, very difficult, right? You know when when you have your own immune system attacking your brain or your nervous system, that’s a very, very difficult kind of auto immunity.

It’s hard to live your life that way. Whereas if you have an auto immunity that attacks your joints, Or your skin tissue, or your hair follicles or your nail beds, it’s not quite as complicated. Right? But you know, it’s, it’s individual individuals. Like, you know, I could have rheumatoid arthritis and you could tell me it’s not as bad as a brain autoimmune, but I don’t care because my immune system is killing my joints and I’m hurting bad.

Right? So we take each case individually and treat them individually. Regardless of what the name of the condition is.

[00:16:47] Tony Winyard: And you mentioned that when people come to see you and they’ve, they’ve in their minds, they’ve, they’ve seen every doctor. Yeah. What is the condition that most people, by the time they see you, they’ve just kind of given up because they’ve, it just seems impossible for them to cure.

[00:17:05] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Yeah. Yeah. Because they have a myriad of symptoms and, and none of them seem to fit one condit. So they have fatigue and weight gain and hair loss and insomnia, and digestive issues, and depression and anxiety, and heart palpitation. They have this myriad of symptoms and it doesn’t fit one condition. So, In conventional medicine, everything is segregated, right?

You see the cardiologist, you see the endocrinologist, you see the nephrologist, you see the rheumatologist. So it’s very segregated and the body doesn’t work that way. The body is not segregated. We are very integrated and everything works with everything. Hmm. So unless you’re working with a doctor that understands that, You’re gonna have a very difficult time trying to get your condition resolved by seeing a singular specialty doctor.

Mm-hmm. . Now, I specialize in Hashimotos and low thyroid, but I realize that the adrenals are related to that, that your hormones are related to that, that your guts related to that, that your brain functions itself. I look at all the different aspects that could. Really add to the picture of an autoimmune condition.

[00:18:19] Tony Winyard: And you talked about thyroid. So what, what are the sort of common signs that someone’s got a a thyroid problem?

[00:18:26] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Typically, it’s like I tell people. Slow thyroid, slow metabolism, slow symptoms. So if you think of slow metabolism, you would think, Oh, I’ve got weight gain, I’ve got fatigue, I’ve got sluggishness, I’ve got dry skin, I’ve got constipation.

And so even that slow symptoms, slow metabolism is kind of lumped into thyroid. And then they go to their thyroid doctor. Maybe their tests are normal, maybe they’re not. They put ’em on thyroid medication and then that doesn’t work. And because what we’re finding is it’s not very often thyroid. Hmm. It’s most often what I call triggers.

and triggers our body dysfunctions that very closely mimic a thyroid problem, but isn’t a thyroid problem. So these triggers, they look like a thyroid problem. They feel like a thyroid problem. They act like a thyroid problem. They have the exact same symptoms as thyroid problem, but it’s not a thyroid problem.

It’s trigger. So I talked about those flow metabolisms, slow symptoms, slow thyroid symptoms while I looked for anemia. Blood sugar instability, adrenal gland dysfunction, hormone imbalance, inflammation, gastrointestinal problems, food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities, and hidden infections, and all those triggers have the same symptoms as low thyroid.

All, all those triggers cause fatigue, right? And so I’m finding that. If you don’t address those triggers first, you will not get that Throid issue resolved. Right.

[00:20:11] Tony Winyard: When you were saying that, it made me think about a lot of people, Well, there’s obviously a huge problem globally with obesity and over people being overweight, and so many people think that the, the reason they’re overweight or their obese simply because they’ve been eating too much and it can be so many other things.

[00:20:32] Dr. Gil Kajiki: It can, and, and I think, uh, you know, one of the frustrations my patients have is when they fill out their, this very detailed patient information form, they say, I’m exercising like crazy. I’m eating so good, but I can’t lose any weight. So in their minds, their diet is good, their exercise is good. Why can’t they lose weight?

Well, maybe it’s because you have an adrenal issue, you have a hormone issue, you have a gut problem, you have an autoimmune issue. So yeah, it’s much more than just diet and exercise. Hmm. But. in the, in the arena of diet. You can’t have this standard American diet. And, and that’s why all these other countries are starting to develop D diabetes and obesity cuz they’re, they’re starting to follow the standard American diet with lots of processed foods, lots of trans fats, lots of carbohydrates.

Mm-hmm. . And the disease rate is going crazy because of that particular type of, in discretion. Mm-hmm. .

[00:21:41] Tony Winyard: So you touched upon labs before. So when you are seeing people remotely, and, and then you try to get them to, I guess to do labs locally and then they send the results to you. But how Right, do you, I mean, there’s so many labs that could be suggested recommended and some of them can be quite expensive.

So how are you able to, Is it simp, I guess it’s simply a matter of a budget, what they can afford. How do you decide which labs are gonna be most appropriate?

[00:22:10] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Well, it’s, what I do is I, I, I want to see what are their symptom. and then based on their symptoms, I’ll say, Well, which of those triggers seem to match those symptoms?

And then I’ll look at their patient history and I’ll see which of those triggers match the symptom and the history. And then I know what labs to order. I at that point, I know. , Do I order only blood? Do I order a stool? Do I order a, a saliva? Do I air order a hair analysis? Do I order a dry urine? And so really my decision on what labs to order is based on the patient symptom, the patient history.

So I could never tell a stranger, Hey, order these labs, because some of those may be a complete waste of. Right. So every, every case is individualized and that frustrates some people sometimes, especially when they, they’ve seen every Doctor in the last seven years. They spent thousands, tens of thousands of dollars trying to get better.

And they are frustrated because I can’t tell them what labs do I run? Uh, what’s my treatment protocol? What supplements do I give? What kind diet do I give? How much does the treatment one. I really don’t know cuz every case is individual. So I individualize every single case. So I can’t give people in advance what kind of supplement, what kind of lab, what kind of diet, what kind of, uh, you know, what, what kind of cost?

What’s the treatment plan? I don’t know that until I have this in depth conversation with.

[00:23:51] Tony Winyard: And, and staying with, with labs, there’s a lot of companies offering DNA results. DNA tests and, oops, sorry about that. I thought I turned it off and there’s like nutrigenomic tests and so on. How much, um, it seems to me that some of the results from some of these companies, that’s certainly some of the DNA tests.

Giving people force hope and they’re telling them that by having this test, they’re gonna know everything about their DNA and isn’t

[00:24:24] Dr. Gil Kajiki: it? Yeah. And I think that varies from doctor to doctor, you know, doing these genetic snip testing and MTFR testing, they’re genetic, so that means it’s embedded in your genetic coding.

You can’t change that. , and I think people are attracted to that because they’ve heard something they haven’t heard before. Right? They, so they’re drifting to this tech high technology information where they go, Oh, I’ve got a genetic snip. That’s the reason why that I can’t methylate properly. And you know, So what, what do you do about that?

to be honest with you, And and to be quite frank, I have found genetic testing to be less helpful than more, right. I’ve rarely ran a case where genetic testing made a difference, right? And so I think it’s very expensive. I think there’s not a whole lot you can do about it. I think it does tell you maybe the complexity of your case, which would maybe tell you the prognosis and what to look out for in the future.

But I don’t believe you get enough information from genetic testing to make the difference between that person feeling lousy and feeling better. Mm.

[00:25:43] Tony Winyard: And so what would, so you, we were talking before about, you know, so you were specialized in Hashimotos and, and you’re doing thyroid and so on. Do you have, would most people you treat you’d be able to help or are there, how many, what percentage of people are you just not able to help?

[00:26:04] Dr. Gil Kajiki: This may seem unbelievable, but statistically, I, I have exceeded people’s expectations about getting better about 98% of the time. Wow. Now that’s assuming that they do what they’re supposed to do. Right. I do what I’m supposed to do. Yeah. But about 98% of the people. I exceed their expectations about getting better.

Sure. There’s a percentage of people that, there are situations that I didn’t anticipate, I didn’t know about, They don’t follow my recommendations. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and there are a small percentage of people, but for the vast majority people, if they follow my recommendations, if they do the testing, I need them to do, they’re, they’ve got about a 98% chance of getting.

Right.

[00:27:00] Tony Winyard: And, and I guess there’s a big part of that is some people are just, well, they think it’s too hard to, to change their lifestyle and, and it does require a change in lifestyle sometimes, doesn’t it?

[00:27:13] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Absolutely, it is. There is gonna be a change in diet. There’s gonna be a change in your lifestyle.

There’s gonna be some addition of nutritional, supple. And that’s difficult. Mm. I mean, it, it, it’s, lifestyle changes are probably one, one of the hardest. Right. Because you tell people, Yeah, I know I should exercise. Yeah, I know I should get to sleep earlier. Yeah. I know. I should take, put, you know, put my phone away.

Yeah. I know I should react like that. They know this. That they just have a lot of difficulty following through with it.

[00:27:50] Tony Winyard: And now on your, your site, is there something about an an all natural protocol? So can you tell us more about that?

[00:27:58] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Yeah, all natural meaning that I don’t prescribe any kind of medication.

I don’t prescribe any kind of synthetics. I want you to have a Whole foods diet. , meaning the diet that’s best for you are usually the the foods that have one ingredient and don’t have an ingredient label, right? and natural supplementation like vitamins, herbs, minerals, enzymes, acids, detoxes, anti-inflammatory eating plans and lifestyle changes.

I mean, literally, the more you can get away from technology and get. Nature and get sunshine and peace and quiet and listening to water, that’s gonna be the best kind of treatment for you. Mm-hmm. , when

[00:28:56] Tony Winyard: I, I can’t remember when it was. I know you, you’ve written a book, um, Sick, Tired, Untreated and, and Abandoned.

When, when was it? You write that book

[00:29:05] Dr. Gil Kajiki: that recently came out? That came out probably in April of this

[00:29:09] Tony Winyard: year. And what was the thinking behind it? Why? What made you decide to do that?

[00:29:17] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Well, I would go through pretty much the same type of consultation with people explaining to them about the triggers and about Hashimotos is an autoimmune condition and. I realized the patients that came to me, they were sick, tired, untreated, and abandoned, right? I mean, their doctors would literally say, Your lab tests are normal.

Go away. You know, uh, lose some weight, start exercising more and eating less. And they literally were just abandoned by their doctors. And the conventional medical model, for the most part, they failed this Hashimoto’s patient. . And so I thought, you know, I’m just, I’m just gonna write a book that tells people about the triggers that lets them know I understand what they’ve been through, and here’s why you were abandoned, here’s why you’re sick, tired, untreated, and frustrated, and, and so I just pretty much put what was in my head on the paper and I wanted to write this book.

just to help people understand, Look, there’s a way out of this. It may seem like there’s not, but there is a way out of this, and just by reading this book, you’ll get that glimmer of hope of. Oh my gosh, this makes so much sense. This is why I couldn’t get better just by taking my levothyroxin. This is why I couldn’t get better just by going gluten free.

This is why I couldn’t get better by, uh, cutting my calories and exercising. So it gave them that first step towards, well, what do I do? I’m frustrated, I’m abandoned. What do I do? So I talk to them about the triggers. I talk to them about the. and I don’t tell them what to do. I tell them, Here are the next potential steps to start getting your life back.

As

[00:31:14] Tony Winyard: you were in the writing process and you are starting to crystallize all your thoughts, did did it change your thinking at all as you were kind of putting all this down on paper?

[00:31:27] Dr. Gil Kajiki: I don’t think it did. No. I, I, I mean, I was crystal clear about the message I wanted to convey and. , I was able to convey that in a form that the average person could read it and not be confused by it, and I didn’t write it in a language that was over their head, and I wrote it in a very simplistic, layman’s kind of language so they can understand their condition, they can understand what the next steps were with testing.

Why doesn’t my medical doctor do this kind of testing that you suggest? Because it’s not in that bottle.

[00:32:05] Tony Winyard: And how has the, what’s the, the reaction been to the book since it was

[00:32:08] Dr. Gil Kajiki: released?

It’s been positive. I mean, it’s, it’s, it, it’s pretty much has been. I heard you on an interview before and then I got your book and you said the same things in the book that you did the interview. Yes. I did. It’s a very consistent message. So I, I’ve had some good feedback for it from it, but I, I think it’s in their mind it was, Wow.

I read it. I heard it, and now it makes a lot more sense. I, I, I’ve, I’ve involved more sensory input and now I can actually takes some action steps.

[00:32:50] Tony Winyard: And, and sometimes with, with these, with books on talking about various medical conditions, sometimes there’s a lot of theory, but not enough action. So it sounds like from what you’re saying, there are action steps that people can actually take some action.

[00:33:06] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Right, Right there, there, there action steps on what to look into. It’s just, as I mentioned, everyone’s different, so I couldn’t tell anybody, Well, here’s the diet that you do. Here’s the supplement that you take. Here’s the lifestyle changes you do. But. We need to find the triggers. Which of those triggers do you have?

Do you have the anemia? Do you have the, the gut problem? Do you have the hormone issue? And which? do we prioritize? How do we prioritize it? That’ll help us know where we’re gonna do the testing and whether it’s me or another doctor, you can go in there educated, pre-educated and say, Hey, I believe I have this hormone trigger.

I believe I have this gut trigger. I believe I have this infection trigger. Do you do this type of. Hmm. No, I don’t. Oh, wrong place. Let’s go somewhere else. Right.

[00:33:55] Tony Winyard: And so since writing that, have you now got any plans for another book? Or have you had enough for writing books?

[00:34:03] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Yeah, I think I’ve had enough.

I’m, I, I’m, I’m not much of a writer. I mean, this certainly is not gonna, you know, win any award winning book prizes. It was merely to get information outta my head, onto paper and make it accessible to the world. Basically because I, I can treat almost anywhere in the world. So I wanted to make it accessible to anybody in the world, and then they could start finding the appropriate practitioner for them at that point, right?

And not feel like, what do I do now? My medical professional gave up on me. I don’t know where to go. Here’s, here’s some steps on where to go.

[00:34:41] Tony Winyard: We’re staying with books, is there, can you think of a book that has really moved you for any reason? It doesn’t have to be connected to your work, Anything at all?

[00:34:53] Dr. Gil Kajiki: You know, because so much of my life is my work, um, I would have to say one of my heroes in my work and my life is, um, Dr. Ja. and he wrote a book called, Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms When My Lab Tests are Normal? And that became the number one selling thyroid book in six months in the world. Right?

Because just the title alone makes you say, Yeah, that’s me. Why do I still feel crappy? My doctors say my lab tests are normal. . And so then they just dismiss you and they abandon you for the most part. Hmm. And that leads me to my what, what you asked me about, what’s my favorite quote. And of course, it’s work related, but here’s what I tell people.

There’s no way your lab test can be normal and you still feel lousy, right? Because the doctors are either reading the tests wrong. Doing the wrong tests or not doing enough of them, likely all three. And so the testing is not the be all end all. There’s more to testing than just what you are given. Right?

So

[00:36:19] Tony Winyard: if people want to find out more about you, maybe to get in touch with you, where, where would the best places to?

[00:36:25] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Uh, best prices. My website and my website is www d r kaki.com. That’s www D R K J I K i.com. And on that site you can download some free thyroid video resources. I have a link to a, uh, six series, um, streaming video that I.

Uh, created with Lisa Gar. Lisa Garza, a very well known, uh, radio host out here in the California area, and she, her and I created this video series and she’s actually responsible for putting me on the international map. Right? Yeah. She put me on a radio show called Gaia, and that’s international. Once I got on Gaia, people from all over the world started contacting me, so I, I’d give credit to Lisa.

Or for that. Um, but you can also, uh, go to the Amazon link and purchase my book. Mm-hmm. there. And if you just wanna get right to it, cuz you’ve heard here this interview with Tony and other interviews, you just wanna get right to it. You could purchase a $97 30 minute consultation and, and just get right to it.

That’s a time for you and I to talk and see if it’s a good fit. See if you like me, see if you’re a good fit for my protocols and if I can help you, I’ll let you know. And if I can’t help you, I’ll let you know. You won’t waste any time with me.

[00:37:52] Tony Winyard: Well, before we finish, is there any question I haven’t asked you which you think would be good for their listeners to know?

[00:38:05] Dr. Gil Kajiki: I think people who tend to listen to shows like yours are a little more well read and educated in the health arena. And I think one of the things they may be asking themselves in their head is, Okay, this sounds good, but why would I pick you? Hmm. And, and, and my response would be, I may not be the right person for you, but if you follow the information and just say, Do I have these triggers?

That kind of makes sense. How would I find out if I have these triggers? I have to do certain kinds of lab testing, and blood is not the only media for lab testing. There’s stool, saliva, dried urine, hair, breath. So once you get the data, Now you have something to work with. Now you can do pre and post testing, and then you could do protocols that say, Hey, did my diet change?

The lab triggers? Did my supplements change? The lab triggers? Do I feel better? And what do my lab triggers look like? And whether it’s me or any other health professional out there, I think if you follow. Protocol that data and use that before and after lab testing and the triggers. You’ll be so much better than you are now.

It’ll give you the energy and the hope to continue going.

[00:39:36] Tony Winyard: Well, Gil, it’s been a, a real pleasure, so thank you for. Yeah, it’s such an interesting conversation for the last half hour, so thank you.

[00:39:44] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Thank you for the opportunity, Tony.

[00:39:49] Tony Winyard: Next week is episode 86 with Dr. Vic Manzo, who is a certified pediatric chiropractor, certified chiropractic wellness practitioner, and a former Reiki master and trainer. Here’s a wealth of knowledge and experience with nutrition, holistic health, energy medicine. And being a former Reiki master in trainer.

So we dig into a lot more about what all of that means, what he’s doing now, which is quite different. He’s gone in a very different direction. And about, um, he’s got a, he’s got a podcast called The Mindful Experiment, and he’s got another new podcast he started recently called Health by Dr. So we dig into all of that.

That’s next week with Dr. Vic Manzo. Hope you enjoyed this week’s episode. Please do share it with anyone who would get some value. Maybe you know, someone who’s got Hashimotos or some kind of autoimmune condition and some of this information will be really valuable to them. And hope you have a fantastic week.

[00:40:46] Dr. Gil Kajiki: Thanks for tuning in to the Habits & Health podcast where we believe creating healthy Habits should be easy. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave us a review on your favorite podcast. Sign up for email updates and learn about coaching and workshop opportunities at Tony Winyard dot com.

See you next time on the Habits & Health podcast.

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