Dr Sandra Scheinbaum

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habits and health episode 41. Welcome to the habits and health podcast, where we believe creating healthy habits should be easy. Brought to you by an educator and coach for anyone who wants to create a healthier life. Here's your host, Tony Winyard.

Tony Winyard 0:20

Welcome to another edition of habits and for my guest today is Dr. Sandra Scheinbaum, who trains people to become functional medicine health coaches. And she's been doing this because she really believes that growing the health coaching profession will be the solution to combating chronic disease and also to offer affordable access to functional and lifestyle medicine and reduce healthcare costs. She founded and is the CEO of the functional medicine Coaching Academy, which is a collaboration with the Institute for Functional Medicine. And she has been a leader in the field of health and coaching education for many years. So we're going to hear a lot more from Sandra coming up very soon. We do enjoy this week's episode, please do share it with anyone who you feel would get some real value from it. And hope you enjoyed this week's show. happiness and health My guest today is Sandra Scheinbaum, how are you doing, Sondra?

Sandra Scheinbaum 1:19

Great to be here

Tony Winyard 1:21

Well, I think we established this now I'm going to call you Sandy from now on rather than Sandra because I think that's what most people refer to you as?

Sandra Scheinbaum 1:31

They do.

Tony Winyard 1:31

I was gonna start to attempt to describe, all the things that you do and things that you've done, I think is better coming from you. Because you've got quite a background of stuff that you've done.

Sandra Scheinbaum 1:46

Sure, I'd be happy to. So way back in the late 1960s. When I was going to college, I majored in education. And that's what I thought I would be doing, I thought I would be a school teacher. And I got my master's in learning disabilities. So again, was working, I started working in special education, working in a classroom and then later helping to teach teachers to be prepared to help kids with all types of learning needs and behavioural challenges. And that led to an interest in something that didn't quite have a name at the time, we now call it mind body medicine. And it was this idea that the mind can can be very powerful. And you can do some things like breathing techniques. And that can help you to feel tense, physically less anxious. And I started doing workshops for teachers working in that helping parents who were stressed with raising kids, and particularly kids with special needs. And that led to them wanting to learn more. And I got a doctorate in clinical psychology and spent close to 40 years as a psychologist. And what I was focusing on was this field that was quite new at the time, it was biofeedback. And I taught just so so many people how to self regulate, that they could tune into, for example, if their hands were cold, they could do some breathing, some warming imagery, and they could feel their hands getting warmer. And that was leading to a relaxation response, for example. And I was pairing that with positive psychology, which is the study of what's right, not what's wrong with you. And I then discovered functional medicine, which is root cause medicine, looking at perhaps as a psychologist, maybe the reason that people were coming in and saying they were depressed or highly anxious was not because all in their head, but maybe it had something to do with what they were eating their how they were exercising or not exercising, and the root cause might be something in their gut. So I studied functional medicine, and then put it all together all these facets of what I had been learning all those years and practising and helping people through positive psychology and cognitive behaviour therapy, mind body medicine, functional medicine, and put that all together to create a curriculum founded the functional medicine Coaching Academy, which part of and the mission now I have a big mission and that is to train people all over the world to become health coaches so that every doctor will have a health coach that they can refer to or is with them in their clinic so that they can help people and coaches are helping people to live happier, healthier lives?

Tony Winyard 5:06

Well, there's a number of things that in what you just said that I definitely want to explore. So one of the things that came to mind as you would explain in that is, it sounds like you you in the, at the beginning, almost a number of different movements. So dip night. So positive psychology, breath work, functional medicine, and you are right there in the early days of a lot of those things. And I wonder how, because some of those things, people still react, they're there, they've never heard of some of these things even now. So I can't imagine what it must have been like in when when these things were first starting.

Sandra Scheinbaum 5:43

It was quite new. And so you mentioned breath work. And I just have to laugh because we didn't call it breath work. Now it's that's such a popular term. But back then the idea that, Oh, I could stop and pause and tune into my breathing. And that will result in a quieting response that might set the tone for the rest of my day. And this was something that was quite radical. And the idea that your mind was very powerful, that we didn't talk about mind body medicine. But what's so interesting is that the principles that I sometimes I look back at my old lecture notes and find some old material that I was using back then we're talking in the 1970s, and think nothing's really changed, what's changed is we have better research, there's now been a lot of research to show that this is effective. And we also have so many people who've written best selling books about it, James nesters, breathwork, for example, and it is now more and more mainstream. But as you point out, it is still something that many people think, Oh, this is, this is we will or this is something that is not going to help me. And they think that you know, it's a pill for every ill not realising again, the extreme power of what we now call mindset. And particularly, it's just paying attention to just you know, how we, how we move throughout the day, our posture, and where we're breathing from, that's often a place that I would start when I was working with people, because I would see just looking at them, they were chest breathers, or they were holding their breath throughout the day, and in this chronic state of muscle tension, and just simply letting go of that bracing, and even just stand you know, having different posture, letting your shoulders drop down, that can have an effect on what your thoughts are going to be. And it might be that you're able to face your day face the problems that you may have thought were insurmountable. And now oh, I can do this. This is solvable. And so it's just this constant blending of what are we thinking? How are we carrying ourselves? Are we breathing or not? Where are we breathing from, and then the ideas that making those simple changes, our thoughts can influence our feelings, that influences everything that's going on down to a cellular level. And that's where today we're seeing with imagery techniques, we can see the changes that are happening even in the brain, that so they can use advanced imagery, technology to have this as part of the research that they're doing groundbreaking stuffs going up.

Tony Winyard 8:55

One of the things I find fascinating is some of the things that you just mentioned in those early days, maybe before there was many studies have been conducted maybe before there was much scientific evidence for some of those things. And so therefore, you would probably have got quite a lot of kickback people sort of laughing at it or saying it's will ruin and so on. And since then many of those things have been have now got scientific evidence like meditation and so on. And there's so many things from the east, which were looked down upon by many people in the West breathwork, Qi Gong and so many other things. And there are so many things still now that I practised in use, I lived in a fire race for 10 years. And so I saw a lot of how things were happening over there. And instead a lot of things that happen over there that we dismiss here in the west and I wonder how many of those things over the next 510 15 years will also be proved to be have scientific basis.

Sandra Scheinbaum 9:56

Absolutely. I think that many of these traditions have now become part of our traditions in the West. An example would be some of the spices. For example, curcumin, and there's a lot of research that's come out to show the benefit of curcumin is a powerful anti inflammatory. And these are something that people used for 1000s of years of intuitively in their cooking in their preparations of meal preparation. So they didn't have the sophisticated ways of researching it. But so it's the Western blending have actually a scientific study of traditions that have been around for centuries.

Tony Winyard 10:44

I find it quite I got into. Are you familiar with someone called Patrick McEwen? Who wrote a book? Yeah, so I became an oxygen advantage coach a couple of years ago. And as I got into a lot of his, some of the things that he was teaching us, and, and one of the things obviously, is all about nitric oxide and humming, and about how just by humming you, you know, you increase the amount of nitric oxide. And it straightaway occurred to me that, you know, in trans TM meditation, when they do that on sound, which is that same kind of humming sound. Yeah. And so, and they've been doing that for 1000s of years in, in some places in the forest. And it's, and now that's been proven by by doing that humming, you increase your amount of nitric oxide. So that's now got scientific validity. And I've been doing it for 1000s of years.

Sandra Scheinbaum 11:34

Yes, absolutely.

Tony Winyard 11:37

Fascinating. Have you? Have you heard of a book of recent book that came out by David Hamilton, Why Woowoo Works?

Sandra Scheinbaum 11:45

I have not, that sounds like something I'll have to add to my list of books to read,

Tony Winyard 11:51

I think you'd really enjoy it. He's a PhD. He's, he used to work for some of the pharmaceutical companies as a scientist in some capacity. And this recent book, it just came out a few weeks ago. And so he's looked into a number of different areas that have always been dismissed for the last 20 years, but now do have scientific validity behind them and gone into explain why they weren't like why Reiki works, And why breath work, And why acupuncture maybe and various other modalities, and it's a fascinating book, it really is,

Sandra Scheinbaum 12:28

I'll have to check it out. Thank you.

Tony Winyard 12:32

You mentioned when we started the show about the functional medicine Coaching Academy, and one of your aspirations, I think you said was to have a coach or a health coach in every doctor surgery. Can you Can you expound more on that?

Sandra Scheinbaum 12:50

Sure. Well, we have a health care system, talking around the world that is exhausted right now, particularly. And we also have an increase in complex chronic conditions. And those conditions are not well treated in the doctor's office. So our system, acute care medicine is designed for, let's say, you have you break your leg, well, you go to the hospital, it sat in the cast, and you get instructions for that care immediately afterwards, how to take care of the cast, for example, come back and we'll take it off or we'll check on your progress. Well, that works really well. If you break your leg if you're having a heart attack, but what about if you're suffering from Type Two Diabetes? What if you're metabolically unhealthy, which about 80% of us are and you might have obesity, you might have some autoimmune conditions. And these are not the kind of conditions that are best treated in a hospital or clinic or doctor's office. They are treated in the community. They are treated in the home, they are treated, on walking paths in the grocery store where you decide what foods to buy or not to buy. And that's where the health coach comes in. Because the health coach is the behaviour change expert, a health coach is somebody who can help people make these often difficult changes in diet and lifestyle to going to really those are the things that are going to make an impact because these are called lifestyle related conditions. So it is not like something that is Again, you have an accident, you have a fall, that is not lifestyle related. But if you again, these chronic illnesses, that we're seeing more and more of just an explosion, these are good lifestyle, then we add to that recently, our challenges, we have long haul COVID, we have people who are not recovering 100%, they are experiencing symptoms. And it could be just the tip of the iceberg and what we're going to be seeing. And so these are also areas where a health coach can be really, really important to work with somebody to help them to have resilience to help them have hope. And potentially also, again, looking at the kind of lifestyle factors that may have an impact, improving their quality of life.

Tony Winyard 15:59

And anyone that's new is maybe thinking yah but, it's a doctor that helps me out in things like that. And so why is it that a health coach in conjunction working with a doctor is able to be far more helpful, powerful, beneficial in in those kinds of circumstances than a doctor alone?

Sandra Scheinbaum 16:18

Yeah, so the doctor is trained to be the detective, the medical detective, they can look at lab results, they can say this is what you have, they can name that condition. And most will say, when I went to medical school, I got one day of nutrition or very just glossed over. And so they are experts in medication, they are experts in what treatment should we apply. And they are not the experts in helping people to commit to change to asking the kinds of questions that are going to help people find the spark the motivation, they say, Yeah, this is, you know, I want to live to to experience this, this and this. And therefore I'm going to start today I'm going to get those running shoes, I'm going to go out in nature more. And then the health coach can help them be accountable. Doctors, typically also don't have enough time, they may want to be doing this with their patients, and helping them in this way. But they're often limited. Sometimes it's the medical system they're in, that is limiting them, or just their caseload is such that they don't have the time to really sit with somebody, whereas a health coach can do that they can also work remotely. And increasingly, people are working with coaches remotely as well as in groups. So many doctors are starting groups, group medical visits, for example, are very, very powerful, where people can feel like I'm not alone. There's others who are experiencing the same things I am, they are getting support. And they are also getting the sense that well, if if this person can can do it, can they they can change I can to and the coach is the facilitator of that group. And that's something I'm really, really committed to training coaches to be those facilitators for groups.

Tony Winyard 18:43

Would you I mean, do you have any idea of figures of what percentage of doctors do have some kind of health coach working with them at the moment?

Sandra Scheinbaum 18:51

Yeah, so I don't have those figures. You know, but I can say just anecdotally, we started functional medicine Coaching Academy, about six years ago, there were very few doctors, working with health coaches, in fact, health coaches, wasn't it term that was well known at the time. And now it's just exploded. And we have seen the number of doctors who come to us, which started as a trickle now it's a flood, we have people wanting to work with health coaches. And this is physicians who are wanting to have a health coach that either works in their office or they can refer out to or they are we are seeing a number of people coming to want to themselves. They're saying I want to work with a health coach.

Tony Winyard 19:46

And is that just in North America or is that like more globally as well?

Sandra Scheinbaum 19:51

This is more globally. So we have seen, particularly in the UK, a rise in interest in health care. And we have proud graduates in all parts of the world. And we've they have our reporting back that they are just growing. And they're more and more people are becoming aware, I think part of it is because of the pandemic, we have seen an interest in, in health, often for the first time people are waking up and thinking, hey, you know, I value my house, I want to do something to stay well or get well.

Tony Winyard 20:31

Because the people taking your course. I mean, just from what I've seen, there seems to be people from virtually every country in the world.

Sandra Scheinbaum 20:39

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Because these, these conditions, no, no boundaries. And so they're also because of telehealth, people are able to work remotely. So you might be in Germany, and you might have clients in another part of the world. And that's what we're finding as well. So the boundaries are not something that we're as are as significant as they used to be. And the, again, the, the interest in in health and wellness, in preserving your what we're calling health span, to be active and vibrant, is something that we know can be done well into what would be called old age. And people are waking up and saying, Yeah, I want that. But I can't do it alone. And I need a health coach. And so the medical community is also recognising the strong need for what we're calling lifestyle medicine or lifestyle changes, that can really be the key to helping people stay healthy.

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Tony Winyard 22:24

I know there's many bodies now there's many places offering courses to become a health coach. What I love about your course is the way that it's combined that you've got functional medicine, you've got Motivational Interviewing, there's Positive Psychology, there's Tiny Habits, and all of that meshed and many other things as well, all of it, it's just so many great skills to be able to help potential clients, patients, whatever it may be, I wonder if you know if many of the other places that are offering courses if they offer that kind of wide scope as well?

Sandra Scheinbaum 23:02

Well, I think this is something that has always been my passion. And that's how I have worked with people. When I was a psychologist for so many years. I never was wedded to one technique, one method of psychotherapy. And I had colleagues who were strictly no, I'm psycho analytical. I am a cognitive behaviour therapist. And that was never me. I was always looking at an integration to the Wii to take the best of different disciplines based on a personalised approach what is right for that given individual. And I believe this came from my training way back in an education in learning disabilities, particularly because when you and I did 1000s of assessments, to diagnostic tests to see child was, let's say not reading, what is the root cause? Why are they not reading? And so through those battery of tests, we would discover that and then what can we put together for this child that will be a comprehensive approach, so that they will be successful. And so it was always drawing upon lots of different things, whatever was going to work. And I applied that both as a psychologist and when we designed the curriculum for functional medicine Coaching Academy, we weren't going to be just wedded to a particular way of eating for example, or particular theories but really the a comprehensive approach. Why is that because when you are a coach, you are focusing on that individual what they want and it is completely client centred. And when as a coach, you perhaps make a suggestion that suggestion might be to utilise that's how to draw upon that person's strengths help that person recognise, recognise their strengths. And so that would come from positive psychology. And perhaps that individual is engaging in a lot of hopeless all or nothing kind of thinking, I'll never be able to do this, it's or they are comparing themselves very negatively to somebody else. And then that would be where, as a coach, you would ask those kinds of questions that would help that person to reevaluate their thought patterns. Well, then you're doing cognitive behaviour therapy coaches, I want to be really clear are not psychotherapist, they don't practice psychotherapy, they use some of these methods that originated as a therapy technique.

Tony Winyard 26:05

And also the way that the course encompasses things like motivational interviewing, and the tiny habits as well as seems to be, I just get the impression because I before before deciding to take the course with FMCA, I was looking at some other courses that are around as well. And they didn't seem to. I mean, I love motivational interviewing, and I very much love Tiny Habits is why I became a Tiny Habits coach. And so I love the incorporation of those because that I think they make such a big difference as well.

Sandra Scheinbaum 26:36

Yeah, absolutely. So motivational interviewing is the classic technique approach. And I would say that's pretty universal, even courses, that might be like a weekend course. And maybe they would expose participants to those basic fundamentals of motivational interviewing, coaching is so much more. So you start with motivational interviewing, or you incorporated, but it really is a lot more. And so what we really came up with or invented was this functional medicine, health coach approach, and that's with the we have six branches at FMCA. So it's the functional medicine principles, which is helping people discover the root cause what's going on, and often coaches the one who helps the person connect to a functional medicine practitioner, and if they need further assessment, for example, and would benefit from working with a functional medicine doctor. And then we blended that with positive psychology, cognitive behaviour. And then the others would be mind body medicine, functional nutrition, which comes from a functional medicine approach, as well as what you referred to, and the art and science of coaching, which is a lot of motivational interviewing, being able to really it's client centred asking the right questions, so that that individual can say, Yes, this is I'm gonna commit to change. And this is how I'm going to start, this is where I'm going to start. And it is those tiny habits that starting really small and then celebrating when you meet your goal, no matter how small it might be. And and then we also, I'm committed to helping our students launch their career and connect with others in the medical community, and connect with clients and how to do that in a way that where they will be successful and not feel overwhelmed.

Tony Winyard 28:50

You mentioned a couple of times about it's very client centred. And for anyone listening to this, who's probably not familiar with the FMCA course, and maybe not familiar with that phrase "client centred", and one of the things that is often repeated is "the coach is not the expert". Could you maybe explain for anyone listening who's wondering, This sounds like a very different approach to what is typical?

Sandra Scheinbaum 28:51

Yes. So what's typical? As you go to your doctor, or you go to a nutritionist, dietician, and they will lay out okay, here's what's wrong with you. And here's what you need to do. And what we mean by client centred is, this is a term that comes from humanistic psychotherapy. And that's where coaching came from. Coaching is actually a spinoff. So health and wellness coaching is a spinoff from life coaching that came from this whole humanistic tradition in therapy. And that's where it's not this figure of the psychiatrist. The psychology Just as this, they're going to tell you what's wrong with you. But instead, the idea is that you are the expert in your own life. And you are in control of your destiny and you are in control of during that session, when you're with your coach, if what you want is that comes first, you're in the driver's seat. And so perhaps you got this whole plan from your nutritionist or doctor about what do you need to be eating or the supplements you need to be taking. And you are thinking, this doesn't fit for me, for whatever reason, perhaps it's too expensive, perhaps you just feel like this is not the direction I want to go. So you may bring that to the coach, and the coach will be your ally. And they do offer education, for example, if some of the things that you have been advised to do are necessary. And the coach will be the one who will say, Well, can I offer more education about why Dr. So and So wants you to do that? And then you might say, oh, yeah, I get it. That makes sense. And so what's client centred? Is that, yeah, I get it. That makes sense. And so what's so powerful about this relationship is that you are honoured, and that you know that this person is not going to judge you, your coach is not judgmental, they are accepting you. And that's really what we mean by client Centre is a sense of acceptance, that you are not going to fit leave that session, feeling judged, feeling shamed, embarrassed, for example, and many times people walk out of a doctor's office feeling that way.

Tony Winyard 32:04

Are you able to give any examples of where any health coaches you know, who have worked with clients patients, and gotten amazing results, which maybe weren't expected or, or anything?

Sandra Scheinbaum 32:17

Sure, so often, we have people who are medical doctors, we have a programme, where FM FMCA frontrunners in coaching County, we're a collaboration with the Institute for Functional Medicine. They are the organisation that trains doctors to practice functional medicine. And in their training programmes, we have now a programming initiative where they are being paired with one of our graduates. And that's to support them as they are going they're exposed in their training and IFM. They're exposed to food plans, for example, one is the elimination diet. And so the thinking is that you can do this in a way that so they're asked to do it, it's it's something that's not required, but you will be a better doctor, if you've gone through this elimination diet, you know what that experience is? Before you are going to recommend it to your patient. And so in this programme, the hos trainees are being paired with one of our coaches. And the feedback is phenomenal. They're coming back and saying, Wow, like, now I know what it's like to work with a coach, I never could have done this elimination diet on my own. But with my coaches support and encouragement, and guidance, I was successful. And so they are coming out of that session or the series of sessions saying, yeah, like, I want a coach, when I practice functional medicine, I'm gonna have a coach. Sometimes they've even hired that graduate that they were working with. And so that's an example that we're really proud of, because these are medical doctors who are working with personally they're working with a health coach, and it's working.

Tony Winyard 34:25

If I asked you to look at your crystal ball? How do you see medicine might be changing in the next 5, 10, 20 years?

Sandra Scheinbaum 34:35

Yeah, well, I think it's changing. There's a big cause of artificial intelligence, leading the big, big movement in consumer driven devices. So for example, people have a watch where they're tracking their health, it's getting more and more severe. sophisticated, more and more. With each new upgrade or update, there are more things that can be tracked. Also, you can track your sleep with aura ring, for example. So these are remote health monitoring devices, that we're seeing just more and more of continuous glucose monitors where people could just have this on their arm, I've been experimenting with it, and you're getting this feedback. So as patients are becoming empowered, then they're seeing this data, they're taking charge of their health, I think that's a revolution in health care. And we will see more and more of this just be readily available, you'll be able to walk into your corner drugstore, and you'll be able to get your continuous glucose monitor and not have to right now, there are some companies where you can sign up for it, but it's still, by and large, something that you have to go to your doctor get prescription for. And so that's one way and also we're seeing like lab tests becoming more and more sophisticated, where you can just get a home testing and prick your finger and more and more reliability, it's still no right now, just the beginning stages, but I think this is just only going to grow. And that will result in the health in it health care, changing how you see your doctor, it's already changing, because of the pandemic, that large part draw the explosion of telehealth. And so it's no longer weird not to go into your doctor but to have a consult through your computer. And and then finally, my passion is health coaches, because they are the ones who are going to help people to look at that data. And also be in communication with the doctor, too. This is already happening in the United States, it's being reimbursed through insurance as well, well, health coach can be the monitor have that data of these are devices like somebody's taking their blood pressure at home, and they can be in touch with that individual as well as communicate back to the medical practice what's going on with that person?

Tony Winyard 37:25

The early adopters, I suppose you would say are things like the Oura ring, and many of these wearables, the glucose monitors and so on. There's a certain type of person that is very keen on that kind of thing. But the vast majority at the moment, have no interest in that. I wonder how that would change? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Sandra Scheinbaum 37:50

Yeah, I think that the more it becomes commonplace, and easy to get more people will have an interest in it. And a think that, you know, if we look back at other technology, and like cell phones, you know, I grew up there, we had no cell phones. And I was an early adopter, I had a cell phone, I used to have a phone in my car. Was that so because it was car phones first. And then it became a mobile device? And people said, oh, you know, I don't, or email, I remember when I was getting my doctoral dissertation or just the I typed it on a computer on a typewriter because we were just starting to have this thing called the internet. And, you know, how am I going to send that to my advisors this way? I don't trust it. Now, you know, fast forward is, this is part of everybody's life. And the number of people who have cell phones around the world is, you know, it's astronomical compared to when this technology first came out. So things network less expensive as well, because that will be a big driving factor. It's less expensive, easier to use.

Tony Winyard 39:05

So do you think people will? I'm not sure if awareness is the right word, but we'll have there it will help with say obesity and diabetes and so on with because people have more awareness of their glucose levels. Maybe at some point, we'll get insulin level monitors and so on as well. Where then will we decrease those kinds of conditions?

Sandra Scheinbaum 39:27

Yes, I like to be optimistic and think that that will happen.

Tony Winyard 39:33

What one of the questions I asked most of my guests and is, is there a book that's really, really moved you for any reason in the last few months years or in your life that has really stuck with you?

Sandra Scheinbaum 39:51

Sure. I have to say hands down. It's Victor Frankel's Man's Search for Meaning. Just because of the power of of his conclusion. And this idea that meaning and purpose, tied to love, tied to community love, having having that mission having something to live for, is all powerful.

Tony Winyard 40:18

If people want to find out more about you, and the functional medicine Coaching Academy and any other if you can, if you can give us some links, social media links, your website and so on.

Sandra Scheinbaum 40:28

Sure. So the website is functionalmedicinecoaching.org. We're on Instagram at functional med coach, Facebook, functional medicine Coaching Academy. Personally, I am Dr. Sandy, and Instagram and on tick tock. I am on clubhouse as Dr. Sandy as well, you can join some of our rooms we have a lot of engaging conversations there. And if there anyone, any listeners who are interested in a book, the doctors guide to health coaching that is FMCAfreebook.com

Tony Winyard 41:11

You mentioned clubhouse, so anyone who's listening and is maybe thinking what what kind of conversations do you have on clubhouse that listeners might want to participate in, for example? Sure,

Sandra Scheinbaum 41:21

well, right now that we have three rooms. The first two, one is health and wellness news. And that is every Monday, where I'm a Research junkie. So we find research in health and wellness, we report on that. We have meet and greets, we're growing that. And both of those are through our club, the functional medicine collective. And then on Fridays, we have a room on reducing burnout, which is astronomical proportions, no matter what career you might be in. And so we have guest speakers come and it's just a conversation about burnout, and particularly how coaches can be really helpful. Many people switch careers because they're burned out, they find health coaching, or they are working with a coach to help them whether they're a medical doctor, or in corporate, whatever type of work they may be doing. A health coach can partner with them, to help them through what they're experiencing as burnout.

Tony Winyard 42:28

And finally, just before we finish, is there, do you have a quotation that you particularly like?

Sandra Scheinbaum 42:34

Well, I'm gonna go back to something that I would incorporate in all of my lectures starting in the late 70s. "What's real in the mind is real in the body". And that was how I started and it still applies today.

Tony Winyard 42:49

And why why does that resonate with you so much. It's the

Sandra Scheinbaum 42:53

power of of your thoughts, your emotions, your images, that is sending direct signals down to every cell to either turn on an inflammatory response, or turn off that response and create a more of a healing response. So it's, it's all it's all in your thoughts, and your your vision, what the intention is that you are setting up for yourself. As BJ Fogg, author of tiny habits, likes to say I start every day saying today is going to be a good day.

Tony Winyard 43:29

Sandy has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate

Sandra Scheinbaum 43:33

it. It's been a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you.

Tony Winyard 43:38

Next week is episode 42 with Lynne Bowman, who has been a featured speaker at women's expo events throughout the United States, and she teamed up with actress Deirdre Hall to write and publish Pedro halls kitchen close up in 2010. And another book How does she do it in 2012 with Daydream, and Lynn's new book brownies for breakfast is a cookbooks for diabetics and people who love them. It's a five star rated bestseller on Amazon. And it's a great fun read and one of the best Cookbooks You can have on your shelves. Everything you need to know about Whole Foods, plant based eating shopping equipment, your kitchen, all in a straightforward no BS language. So we're going to hear a lot more about Lynn in next week's episode. If you know anyone who would get some real value from some of the some of the nuggets that Sandy shared with us today, please do share the episode with them. And hope you have a great week. See you next week.

Jingle 44:36

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