EE043 – Jason Wasser – Human Performance Optimizer

[00:00:00] Exceeded expectations episode 43. Welcome to another episode of the podcast where we aim to give you ideas of how you can give your customers better experiences. In this week’s show the guest is Jason Wasser. He’s a human optimising specialist. Am I going to hear about how he’s managed to cure various phobias and addictions. He’s actually a certified hypnotherapist. He’s a neuro EMOTIONAL TECHNIQUE prep practitioner and also a licenced marriage and family therapist then we can hear it quite a few stories from Jason and some of the things that he’s done for some of the patients he’s been working with. If you’ve heard this podcast before or if you enjoy this episode please do think about leaving us a review on iTunes or one of the other platforms and share it with some of your friends. Share it via Facebook and Twitter and all of the other social platforms platforms and that will help get the podcast to more people. Right now it is time for this week’s episode and here is Jason. Exceeding expectations. And my guest this week is Jason Wasser. How are you Jason.

[00:01:27] I’m doing great. Thanks for having me.

[00:01:30] That’s fine. And you were down in Fort Lauderdale in the United States.

[00:01:34] Yes that’s correct. Enjoying the beautiful weather.

[00:01:38] I’m going to say it must be I mean you know but here in London I say that I would imagine the weather is a damn sight finer where you are than it is here.

[00:01:46] Yes but there’s probably a little bit more culture going out there now than there is rain over here.

[00:01:51] I think we went in different kinds of different categories I guess about culture the moment we’ve our never ending Brexit shenanigans but we go.

[00:02:02] We won’t go into that. I think that is officially the first time correct it’s ever been mentioned in this podcast and hopefully the last one.

[00:02:09] Well you see what I’ve already called.

[00:02:15] So Jason you’re you’re a therapist then you do you. It seems to me from what you had a conversation we’re having before you you have a very different approach to what most people think of as a therapy. You wanted to kind of explain how it all came about.

[00:02:30] Sure. So. So I believe that therapy isn’t just about sitting there and talking it out.

[00:02:35] So over the last many years I’ve jumped down the rabbit hole of what we would call integrative or alternative medicine approaches to dealing with stress patterns that we have that are both either so to speak turning to emotions that are you know runaway emotions anxiety depression self sabotage self doubt to worry or that actually turn into chronic physical pain.

[00:03:02] And once I started going down that rabbit hole there was really no coming back and I am certified in a modality called neuro emotional technique which has been around for 35 years.

[00:03:13] And it actually uses the format of muscle testing neurological muscle testing to determine if there’s a fight or flight response in the nervous system right which is different than you talking about a problem like if you’re stressed out about something you can rationally explain it to me. But what we’re doing is we’re bypassing that rational brain and getting into the fight or flight part of your nervous system to make sure that there’s no disconnect between the two and if there is we use this technique to kind of find out what that story is and to help change the nervous system around that.

[00:03:43] So what was it that led you into all of this in the first place.

[00:03:47] So I’ve always been curious about these approaches. I did not know that me as a therapist can actually apply them and practice them as a clinician until many years ago I was actually going through some major significant anxiety to the point where I was actually having panic attacks and I tried a bunch of different things. I tried meditation which helped I was doing some working with a nutritionist at the time which helped as well. I did some acupuncture which was also part of the package but nothing really got in there as deeply as I really wanted to really get this resolved and a really good friend of mine recommended me to see a colleague and it was also a therapist and I did one or two sessions with this person using this technique even though I kind of knew about it already from another training but never really delved into it. And after that first or second session I thought that would keep coming up and triggering me that would lead me to more of a anxiety provoking emotional reality. Literally slid off my brain like there was vaseline on my brain so I thought about it. But then it didn’t trigger me the way that it triggered me in the past and it was like Oh OK. Well that was weird. And within a month I if I flew to my first training in this. And from there it’s been an incredible incredible experience and one of five or six mental health practitioners in the world that have their top level certification.

[00:05:15] There’s thousands of people who are certified in it but there’s three levels of certification and one of a handful of mental health practitioners that have gotten that form in this community.

[00:05:24] And you mentioned that at the start of that how it was you having panic attacks and is it. I’ll be right.

[00:05:31] I think that most people who get into therapy have had some sort of major issue that is help them to understand how much a therapy therapist can help someone though definitely probably a fair assumption say I think every human being has gone through a fair amount of stuff on the macro sense of everything whether it’s a therapist or just a you know a mere mortal. Yeah the average human being is that what’s the level of self awareness that you have. Right. Are you willing to take accountability and responsibility and ownership of what you’re going through and then find the right resources to help resolve that. And that’s one of the things I do as a therapist. I’ve had. Some significant life traumas. I didn’t realize until later on how significant they might have been my parents went through a really really really awful divorce. I went through a lot of trauma with that not realizing how traumatic it was until I was a young adult. And I think I can definitely bring some unique perspectives to my clients whether it’s my couples or my. Teenagers or young adults that are working through that may have gone through some type of family dynamic whether it’s divorce or some other type of trauma. But I think that also limits me to not be good in other areas but it’s definitely something I would say maybe I enjoyed working with a little bit more.

[00:06:52] And so when you was when someone first comes to you and you stay soft opening up about what ever the issue is that I have is it I guess is how is it that you’re able to decide straight away what is going to be the best form of to to react to whatever it is that they’re saying whether it’s going to be all this is going to be I’m going to need some hypnotherapy hell I’m going to need a neuro emotion or technique. How is it that you go about deciding or that’s a really amazing question.

[00:07:21] So I think right off the bat when someone comes in I really need to decipher what it is that they want to accomplish because there’s a difference between talking about a problem and being saturated in a problem and focussing on what would life be like if that problem no longer existed. And there are many therapists out there that would focus and go through a whole life story and take five 10 sessions to just get through all the data all the life story you know all the traumas and all of that. And for me. I’m more focussed on where would you want to be if this was no longer a concern for you. I’m not. I’m honestly focussing on what I need to do. Yet what modality would be the best fit. I just want to know what that what what they think their life could look like if that didn’t exist. From there it could be a variation and I always really do a variation with my clients. It’s a mixture of therapy coaching consulting in this integrative approach and alternative medicine. Sometimes I may be or I may refer them out to see a colleague of mine. If it’s if I feel like it’s coming from a biochemistry perspective and I’ll Seigel to someone who does functional medicine and functional nutrition I kind of get their hormones in their biochemistry back in balance and then say OK do that for a month and then come back to me. So sometimes I’ll be the quarterback right and kind of strategically placed them where they right the best actions to be. And sometimes it’s going to be a little more proactive where we’re going to come up with a game plan where we can create what I call a lifestyle by design. Where they have the five highest priorities in their life and action plans around that and decipher what they want in their life versus what they don’t want in life. But for me as a integrative practitioner who focuses on the mind body I don’t think I can let go or forget that there is a nervous system response and I typically will integrate any team with anything that I’m doing anyway.

[00:09:12] And is there ever a case of.

[00:09:14] I imagine most people about maybe I’m just speaking for myself but a lot of people wouldn’t have much knowledge of really what hypnotism is is involved in that and so therefore they might be a fair about that. Or because I’ve seen him say some TV shows you know during these crazy stuff. So is it ever a case of you suggest something like that and people are very reluctant or very fearful even of having something like that.

[00:09:41] Well I think that would apply to anything that might cause more change in their life than their comfortable life. And I think that’s why most people stay stuck in the first place because the outcome of change leads to a life that will be completely possibly inconsistent with the life they’re living now and that’s really scary. So whether it’s hypnosis and and just for the listeners and this also depends on where one lives in the culture that that one lives. There’s a very big difference between someone who’s a hypnotist and someone who is a licenced or certified hypnotherapist. So in Florida in America you have to be a licenced medical professional in order to practice hypnotherapy. And if you’re not otherwise you’re doing hypnosis or hit your hypnotist and there’s a difference between clinical hypnosis and what I would dare say is recreational or even stage hypnosis. So just because someone sees someone in a suggestive experience in the show or a movie. That that’s not what I would consider clinical hypnotherapy the first thing to know is that you’re completely in control at any point in time you can stop the experience at any point in time there’s no ability that any hypnotherapist should have or could have to control you or make you do something that’s out of your safety or out of your ethical or moral boundaries of your you’ll be aware of what’s going on. But I think taking it to any modality that someone either isn’t familiar with or that even that a close friend or family member hasn’t gone through that they trust their suggestion will make it a little bit more difficult to buy it. Moyse they’re just so experimental that they’re like Oh I’ll try anything that works. And there are people out there that do that but I could imagine that if they haven’t heard about neuro emotional technique and they just see it on my website maybe they watch some videos. There’s a documentary on Amazon Prime where i tunes it’s called stressed which is about neuro emotional technique in the clinical research they’re doing on it for PTSD post-traumatic stress. So I really try to give as much data as possible and say listen I don’t think you’re ready yet to come in. Watch this read this. Let me answer any of your questions and then we’ll schedule you something. So I really do want to meet the person as comfortable as possible and not let them feel like I’m going to overpower or manipulate the situation because then you know the therapeutic trust doesn’t really go so far and they won’t get what they want out of the process.

[00:12:06] Before we started recording you talked about how to Eve you had been able to have some real life changing results where some of your patients. Would you like to talk about that.

[00:12:15] I was at a conference with giving a presentation on this to my local family therapist and one of my colleagues had a massive lifelong snake phobia to the point where when she was even describing the phobia and talking about snakes she actually started shaking and so I gave that as a demo in front of the group of people and by the end of the 15 minutes her thinking about it no longer was triggered and she e-mailed me later that night saying that she’s been on YouTube for the last hour watching videos about snakes and researching them and all the different types of snakes which was like blowing her mind. So those are just two really cool examples of within minutes how any tea can really transform the dynamic of someone’s phobias. But it’s not just about phobias but I can deal with stress patterns and self sabotage about family money.

[00:13:11] One of the areas that I love working with is something that I call emotional allergies and that’s really how you perceive something else such as a family member or a loved one or someone you’re in a relationship with and they don’t even need to be there for us to evoke what your nervous system goes into when you’re interacting with them. And I use that to help make you know any more about the relationships of the clients that I’m working with better whether it’s about a person whether it’s about money. To help them get more of what they want instead of going into a fight or flight triggered response.

[00:13:44] So are you saying then that therefore someone might be having some kind of amounts to a dispute. And only one of them attends. I think you can improve the situation just by speaking. We’ve won and we’ve speaking with both of them.

[00:13:56] Absolutely. And obviously there has to be ownership on both sides and you know really again depends on the circumstances. But let’s say someone definitely carries way more of a stress pattern. Morning 90 pattern or there’s something that’s going on in their world as much as the integration into relational dynamics can affect where the other person can up their game and being supporting or being more involved in like you know their love languages and tapping into that a little bit more.

[00:14:22] But if someone’s coming in and they’re looking at a scenario where they’re experiencing a scenario. Then unconsciously their brain is filtering it to something that reminds them.

[00:14:34] That of an old trauma or an old anxiety provoking experience. And they have no awareness of it. They’re going to go back into that physiological nervous system response and that’s going to play out in that dynamic between the two of them.

[00:14:50] Some of them are typically things that take a long time to resolve. I mean you talked about how some of those conditions such as the snake phobia and so on you’re able to his own very quickly. Are there things that really take a long time to resolve.

[00:15:07] I can’t. I don’t have kind of an over under of how many sessions like I can have the same circumstance with a different client and it can take a handful of sessions but they also might have a nutritional deficiency that’s provoking let’s say like they may drink a little bit more often and therefore because of that they’re Vitamin B deficient they might have more some vitamin B deficiency and vitamin B deficiency is linked to additional stress patterns that’s how the bottom mental stress. So you know we would want to determine and I kind of look at things kind of like a an American baseball field where you have the pitcher’s mound where the person throwing the ball to the batter. Right so you put whatever the issue is on the pitcher’s mound and we look at four different domains one would be emotional. Is this just an emotional conscious or unconscious stress pattern. Second base would be nutritional deficiency is there anything that the person is going through that’s that either organically is causing a nutritional deficiency or that they are just in need of a certain food substance or a nutritional substance that will help amplify their bodies processing of stress and then the last base third base would be toxicities or stuff that they’re environmentally being exposed to such as a toxin a Food Chemical know a. Cleaning supply like ammonia that that they’ve that they’ve been brought you know that’s been brought into their body that’s also messing with their biochemistry the last thing would be structural would be the chiropractic body or physical therapy body oriented technique which is what I would refer out to a colleague to do the adjustment so to speak but that adjustment of that physical component can be held in place by any of those other three bases such as the emotional lack of nutrition or the toxicity. So really assessing for all four of those areas and making the appropriate referrals for the things that I don’t personally do as a practitioner.

[00:16:58] So how would you. What kind of indications would you get from them in the first place to make you think there’s a vitamin B deficiency and how does that all come about.

[00:17:08] SCHWARTZ So one of the things that we do with every one of my clients and anybody out there who’s listening can do this assessment themself. It’s actually on my website the family room SFL dot com. And if you go down to the bottom of the Web site there is something that says a wellness check and a wellness check was created by NTT to kind of where you would put in your symptoms based on how intense are how frequently they’re happening to you and we kind of gauge over the last 30 or 60 days. It’s kind of a place to kind of look it out and you go symptom by symptom and what that does is that translates those physical or emotional symptoms into a five element or Chinese medicine philosophical lens and we can use that to assess which pathway which Meridian. The way that they describe it in Chinese medicine that there’s five main pathways or there’s a little more than five but the ones that we’re looking at will have that sort of speak energetic physiological blockage and that can help us determine a what emotions they’re going through. But the also physical symptoms that they may have complained about their stomach but they have a lot of low back pain or they may feel that they drink that there’s a lot of drinking and therefore they’re a little bit more stressed out and again like a vitamin B deficiency or their adrenal is our shot they’re not sleeping well they’re walking around with just exhaustion they’re unable to concentrate they’re Moody I would automatically look for something going on in their dreams and I’m assessing this all through a natural approach once I have that assessment test I can then go in and start using any t to figure out what’s either the emotional nutritional or biochemical issue that’s holding them back.

[00:18:49] And by taking this approach many say sounds so different to anything I’ve heard before Wasser.

[00:18:56] I imagine therefore there’s going to be people who’ve come to you that have been going to see their doctor for years and have made no headway with whatever it is that they’re the issue they have. And I’ve come to see you and because of this the way that you’re looking holistically at many other areas that you’re able to get results that they just haven’t been getting with other people.

[00:19:16] I’ve been saying yes that and that’s consistently where I’m getting a lot of my referrals from. And it’s not just locally and I actually do a lot of consultation with people who are around the world. And I may not do the actual clinical practice of it but I’d like I said I’ll be the quarterback and kind of Gameplan all the different people that they need to see to kind of streamline the process. So yeah. I have clients that have gone to psychiatrist for anxiety medication or they’ve been to physical therapy or physiology or Vissa as it’s some like I think it’s called in the UK. Right. And they’re just not getting or feeling any better with that pain in their shoulder. And we found through this modality which actually originally came out of chiropractic that 60 70 80 percent of unresolved physical and chronic pain actually has a somatic emotional component to it. And it’s actually keeping that in place. So the longer that that’s the stock the longer the injury is going to stay there.

[00:20:13] So if we try if we pull that out the body can then naturally heal itself the way that it’s actually programmed to do.

[00:20:20] And so what you just said that has really surprised me. So you’re dealing with clients internationally because I would have thought was something not what you do is purely face to face.

[00:20:29] People living so locally.

[00:20:32] Well from the traditional therapy perspective yes from my coaching and consulting side I see people all over the Internet and again like I said I’m not I’m not going to do any T.A. any test to be done with something in person. But there is a network of certified practitioners all over the world. So depending on where they are. I mean they may have to travel a little bit more you know than typical. But if that’s something that they’re really stuck with and they really have gone from place to place then it might be a worthwhile investment for them to jump in the car or jump on a short plane flight to to take a day and meet with a practitioner like this and you know one of the things that I love about the work I do is that. We can figure out years of a chronic complaint about an issue or about a relationship dynamic or self sabotaging belief in a matter of a short period of time and then send them back on their way and they can notice the differences over the next period of time.

[00:21:30] I imagine as some may not. I’ve got a particular person I know in my mind at the moment who is very anti anything. Oh turn it’s a they just instantly dismiss it because they think it’s got no value it’s only short. So how have they been cases like that where someone has maybe reluctantly come to you or for some reason they’ve they felt they’ve had no other choice. And you’ve been able to turn things around and change their own opinion about.

[00:21:58] Oh yeah. So first let’s say let’s say that I won’t address the idea of this being an alternative medicine really it does fall out under that because it’s alternative to what’s being offered out there.

[00:22:09] I don’t really think it’s alternative. What we’re doing is we’re playing with the nervous system and I keep using that term physiology which is right the biochemical responses of what’s happening in your body and the way that your body respond to that. That’s all connected to the three parts of your brain. The rational part of the brain of the neocortex the mammalian part of your brain which is the part of your brain that doesn’t really have an idea of of timeless memory right something that happened five years ago if you listen to a song from high school that you really liked your nervous that is going to start flooding with you with with a biochemical response the same way you did when it was back there and a negative experience would do the same thing. That’s your mammalian part your brain this idea that it doesn’t have an awareness of time in your reptilian brain is really that fight or flight approach void paradigm. So the three parts of your brain when they’re not in sync trying to injure these triggers and traumas and we’re real dealing with nervous system neurology and physiology basically so medically how things get stuck systematically in your body. And then go by pack bypass the traditional talk let’s just talk it out.

[00:23:16] So the cool thing is that any team has a research foundation it’s called The One Research Foundation and they actually published recently after doing over a yearlong study at Jefferson Medical School in Philadelphia they have an integrative medicine department as part of their medical school. And Dr. Daniel Montes who is a psychiatrist very well published very well known in the academic world as well as he’s been in a bunch of documentaries about mind body connection and healing was the lead for the study using neuro EMOTIONAL TECHNIQUE FOR POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS for clients who have had cancer diagnoses and they brought in Dr. Andrew Newberg who is one of the top neuro neurologists in the world he’s a neuro imaging neuro imaging specialist and they combined the resources with treat treating patients and show pre and post using functional MRI. What happened to the brain where the brain would light up with traumatic experiences when they were thinking about it. And then after three to five sessions of any team where the brain would no longer light up in the same trauma centres as well as the client reporting and other assessments that they used. And that’s been published in the journals Cancer Survivorship which is one of the top journals regarding cancer research study.

[00:24:35] So you mentioned meditation and there’ll be a number of people who they just feel that meditation is some woo woo thing and it doesn’t work and AC is a waste of time.

[00:24:46] But what are your thoughts. I mean clearly meditation does work. How if if someone responded like that to you. So that’s not going to help me.

[00:24:54] Well he tries to figure out what’s the reason why the person is not willing to do whatever it takes for them in an ethical and moral way to get help even if they don’t yet know that it works right. So have that experience.

[00:25:08] It’s like someone saying like I don’t like avocados so therefore I never eat either Carlos but I don’t know why I don’t like either Carlos just look gross and mushy right. So there is always an experience behind that or belief behind that of what’s holding them back. So I wonder why we have a conversation about that. On another level. I would say. Well sounds to me like the problem isn’t bad enough for you yet that you’re willing to do something that you can’t control or understand why it would help you. And I would challenge them on those assumptions. I know that every client is not going to be for me. But I also know that that person is probably keeping themselves stuck.

[00:25:44] In a way that like I said about change change is scary.

[00:25:47] And therefore you know self sabotaging way. To keep the stock because the problem serves them in some capacity more than it solves them to actually solve the problem. So when it comes to meditation now the answer that part. At any given point of our day we’re actually in some form of possibly a meditation stage of our state of we’re focussing on something if we’re.

[00:26:13] Trying to calm ourself down if we’re trying to just focus on you know just breathe right. Things happen automatically. They are right. Our nervous system responds our our body does things you know in and of itself autonomously. Excuse me.

[00:26:28] And meditation is just a practice of being in alignment with that right and guiding it gently to doing something differently than we wouldn’t if we weren’t able to focus on taking a step away from our active and Arctic experiences.

[00:26:47] But then I think people sometimes they think about meditation and they think about having to sit in the lotus position and so then.

[00:26:56] Yeah. Yeah. Meditation. You could do it while you’re driving. I’ve worked with high school students and have taught them how to do a Wasser in the middle class. There is on my website as well. There’s the first aid stress tool which actually is a way that you could do an aspect of neuro EMOTIONAL TECHNIQUE by yourself by tapping into the Chinese medicine pulse points on your wrist and by slowly started to reset the nervous system while you’re stuck in a stressed out experience so there’s not one way to meditate. You don’t need to be sitting in lotus position at a Zen monastery to do it. You know the idea of breathing alone. Majority of people just don’t breathe right and that affects the whole entire nervous system. And if you’re not getting enough oxygen your brains out working right. If your brain’s not working right. How are you going to focus and concentrate and do the daily activities that you need to do and therefore you’re automatically putting yourself into a fight or flight response so we can look at meditation as this hippy dippy woo woo thing. Or you can look at meditation as a necessity in order to jumpstart your nervous system and you’re breathing so you can actually function optimally.

[00:28:09] I love the fact that you know you talked about how nutrition is a major part of what you do and that you know that is something that’s looked at because it seems to me that that or how long has that approach been being taken because it was certainly wasn’t done. I know 20 years ago Wasser.

[00:28:25] Yeah. So I think it’s funny I had an experience with somebody my bill in my building is a psychiatrist and they were going around to my door and they’re like oh I bought these extra sodas would you like that’s my practice and I know this person well enough to be blunt with them and I use the. Curse word in my explanation.

[00:28:46] I basically said I’m going to say the word right now but I basically said like there’s no effing way that that’s gonna end up in my office. And they looked at me stunned and they’re like What do you mean. I’m like Well number one it’s genetically modified. Which means that it’s late and with pesticides. Number two there’s aspartame which is one of the most insidious chemicals that’s a neuro disruptor and can cause disruptions in your whole intricate system. And she looked at me shocked like I don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s completely not true I don’t know where you’re getting your research. Right. And this is coming from a person who literally just prescribes pills to solve a problem. Right and maybe does something like therapy but basically challenging me on the fact that my research was wrong and bad. When. I know the reality in the world that I live in and the research I do and the people that I subscribe to as my mentors and guides. Whether I know them or not people that I follow people that I research there’s a whole world of study of functional nutrition and functional medicine and what they do is that instead of necessarily using medication they use food and nutritional supplements to get to the core.

[00:29:54] Of the issue as opposed to drugs just treating the symptoms. And that’s also my approach as a as a therapist and a coach. I’m not worried about the the symptoms the symptoms are an outcome of something that’s going on in your core beliefs and your core expectations your your core attempts to solve a problem.

[00:30:11] My job is to figure out what’s the what’s the other common denominator that’s holding all those in place and in functional medicine function and nutrition they use that lens to look at things more systemically than just as a symptom based management.

[00:30:26] So what you do is sounds like there’s not many people with the same approach and integrating all these different areas that you’re using it.

[00:30:36] I imagine this is going to be the No maybe at some time in the future.

[00:30:39] Do you think that might take. It’s already happening and it’s and it’s happening more more than you might think it’s just that people have to know to ask for it so I think there’s two types of people out there there’s people who wish that they knew that there was something like this exists and they know that they’re frustrated with their traditional medical care whether it’s from a therapy perspective or it’s from their medical perspective.

[00:31:01] I mean I think there’s people that are already experimenting in going out of the box and they don’t know that this world of integrative or complementary integrative medicine exists and they did they they maybe have delved into it or tried it with one person but they did know there was all these other modalities out there because if you go further down the rabbit hole then I think there’s people who are who are maybe they love it they’re actually practicing it in their own day to day life where they’re you know they’re finding out what what’s the best nutritional diet for them to be on based on symptoms and maybe they are working with a with a supportive practitioner and other practitioners like us who need to do a better job of promoting it and getting it out there. And thankfully you’re allowing me the forum right now to be able to do that and share them with your listeners.

[00:31:49] In terms of exceed expectations. What are the typical expectations you yeah someone comes in to say you and they just want to get whatever phobia you know and they said whatever is removed.

[00:32:00] How is it you able to exceed that.

[00:32:03] Well I think it goes back to everything we’ve been talking about so far is that the average person has either been to know therapists whatsoever and they have no clue what to expect except what they’ve seen on TV and movies. How does that make it feel. How does it make you feel. And let’s talk about your mother you know that old school Freudian mentality that they love showing and exploiting on television or maybe they see like a Dr. Phil or or do the opposite extreme may they you know they they may have seen some type of coaching online maybe a Tony Robbins type of thing or where it’s a very intense more in your face type of approach and Tony is amazing and make huge benefits but that also doesn’t necessarily describe what every single person individually needs. So I think there’s that and then I think there’s a people maybe I’ve got with see other therapists or a few other practitioners and are just like I don’t know what to do anymore and I’m just resigned to trying something new. But I don’t know if it’s actually going to work. And I think exceeding expectations that I bring in that home run formula touching each of those bases right of the emotional the toxicity and the nutrition and the structural where I actually have a nutritionist in my practice I actually have a chiropractor in my practice and if they’re not personality wise or symptom based why is the right fit. I know I’m confident that I have a great network of people to refer them out to some my clients will know that I’m not just doing it to make money off them but I’m actually gonna put them with a right practitioner based on the expertise of what they need. And even though I have them right there you know those those resources in my office I have no qualms about referring them not to someone else when it’s appropriate.

[00:33:42] And in general what are your thoughts on exceeding expectations and I have interesting in business and life in general.

[00:33:49] Yeah. So I know one of my things as I travel down this idea of entrepreneurship which we didn’t get into so much as as a certified entrepreneurial coach is that the idea that. I believe that accountability as well as someone clearly defining what their core values are in life will help them exceed their own personal expectations. And I think people are kind of just walking through life you know kind of like you’re driving in a fog and you can only see the next 5 10 15 yards in front of you. But I challenge clients that I challenge my coaching clients my therapy clients and people that that are in my life. And your listeners to sit down and come up with.

[00:34:35] Five or so core values could be three it could be five. It could be two could be one that when they make decisions in their life. It goes back to that. So they know that they’re in alignment with themself and when they have to make a strong decision about a certain topic in their life and you can have different core values for different topics I have for my personal life. I have some core values for my private practice for the business on my private practice. I have a different set of core values. My coaching practice I have a set of core values for it for relationships and dating. So when I’m looking at that experience I need to make a decision whether it’s the right fit or the wrong foot. I go back to that list of core values and then I have my accountability group I want accountability that I talk to every every week. And we hold each other accountable for. For living by those core values and setting action steps and goals based on what we want to achieve by reverse engineering. Write that instead of saying what’s the 10 yards in front of me. What do I want the next twelve months to look like and then come up with a game plan to reverse engineer that and that’s really how I would love to challenge everybody to not only. How I can hold them accountable to exceeding expectations but what they can what they can do in their own life. I believe that people are only living up to a very small amount of their potential. And my job is to really be a human optimising specialist and to get them to see how much more they can dive deeper and how much more of their own personal potential that they can tap into. If they had someone really helping them be their rear view inside your mirror to get them out of their own way.

[00:36:02] I love that. Yeah that’s superb.

[00:36:04] Well Jason if people want to find out more about you and what you are or what you do where where the best places to look.

[00:36:11] Absolutely so my Web site which they can get a lot of great resources not only about any t but about some the other stuff I do is w w w dot Dawes our family room. S F L and the SFL is South Florida dot com.

[00:36:29] And on Instagram I can be followed. Jason Wasser W.A. SSA R L M F T which is licenced marriage and family therapist. Always one word.

[00:36:41] Well all of the links that you just mentioned that all of those would be in the show now. So anyone who didn’t catch any of those year ago was just looking to show Naresh and you can get the links to have a look at Jason’s site or have a look up on Instagram and so on. Jason Seigel the information you supplied has been superb I’ve loved it. It’s been really interesting.

[00:36:57] Thank you.

[00:36:58] I actually like to make a special gift to your listeners is that if they’d like to send me an email through the website or through Instagram through instant messenger or DMA on Instagram and they want to help crafting their core values they can reach out to me and I will send them a worksheet that I use with all my coaching clients and I will actually walk them through the exact steps of what I do with my clients in order for them to create values in their life.

[00:37:27] And I’ll even offer them free coaching if they would like just as a special about your charity your listeners. No matter what it.

[00:37:36] Is fantastic. That’s very generous. Thank you Jason. I’m sure some people will be taking you up on that. So if I were best best of luck Jason for the future and as you take over the world review amazing psychosis that you’re a firm paper. Thanks so much. I really appreciate spending time with you. Hope you enjoyed that episode and next week on episode 44 is with Kim Ades. She is the president and founder of frame of mind coach CNN. Kim really eat sleep some breathes coach and it’s a fascinating episode and we’re going to hear quite a lot about different ways that you can approach coach in different ways. Kim certainly approaches coaching. That’s all in in next week’s episode. Please do think about leaving us her view and do share the episode with people who you think may get value from some of the information and some of the value that we were given by Jason in this week’s episode. Hope you have a fantastic week and see back next week.