EE065 – Judith Quin

Tony Winyard – Health, Breathing, Sleeping, Mindset & Movement Coach

Judith Quin helps people express themselves with confidence, clarity and conviction and in this episode, she explains the deeper reasons why people fear speaking in public and what the underlying causes of that and how they can be overcome.

Judith gives a few stories to illustrate how helping to improve some of her clients communication delivered amazing and sometimes extremely unexpected results for them.

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Tony Winyard 0:00
Exceeding expectations Episode 65 Do you have a fear about public speaking? Do you worry about how you’ll come across when you present in meetings? This week’s guest is Judith Quin and she helps people who have that fear and she gets down to what the fear really is. Into the deeper underlying issues and how that can be resolved. So that’s this week’s episode with Judith Quin. She also helps people with confidence there, there was a an issue at the end of the recording where for the last couple of minutes, the Gremlins seem to attack Judith and we lost the last couple of minutes that when she was talking about how you can get in contact with, but you can find all the contact details for Judith in the show notes. So any links you’re looking for, which unfortunately we weren’t able to hear. You can find them in the show notes. This is the podcast where we aim to give you ideas how you can give your customers such a great experience that they love working with you which results in you get him better testimonials referrals we bookings and so on. If you know someone that you feel would get particular value from this episode, maybe someone who does have some sort of failing in speaking in public, why not share this episode with them and it’d be great if you could also leave a review for us on iTunes or whichever podcast platform you use. Hope you enjoy this week’s show with Judith Quin

exceeding expectations My guest today Judith Quinn, how are you today?

Judith Quin 1:35
I am well thank you.

Tony Winyard 1:37
And I I hear your dog sitting today.

Judith Quin 1:42
for November, one of the one of the joys of working for yourself and able to work from a laptop is that when your mom decides to go to South Africa for a month to see your friends, you can just say yes, I’ll look after his dog. So that is what I’m doing. I am exceeding her expectations of me as a doctor. But coming here for a whole month looking after her dog,

Tony Winyard 2:03
and how is the dog behaving?

Judith Quin 2:06
He doesn’t exceed expectations. He just about lives up to them and sometimes that’s not in a good way. Yeah, and I bring my cat down as well. So she’s just thoroughly miffed. But that’s okay.

Tony Winyard 2:23
So, Judith, tell us about what it is that you do. And, you know, how do you generally help people

Judith Quin 2:29
by helping them let go of the rubbish they’re holding on to that stops them from speaking up and speaking out. So therefore, maybe holding them back in life. So whether that’s personally or professionally, the fears around expressing yourself, which some people call public speaking, but I believe all speaking is public speaking because you’re making your internal thoughts, ideas, feelings or opinions public you’re sharing them with someone so that doesn’t matter whether that’s one person, or 1000 and it doesn’t matter if that’s your life partner, or your boss or 100 people in a room who might be there to buy your products. So it’s about helping people reconnect to who they really are reconnect to the passion behind that purpose. Connect to having a higher intention or bigger intention when it comes to expressing themselves so that when they speak, they can do so with clarity with confidence with the courage of their convictions no matter the situation. And so how did you get into doing this? I’m an actress and massage therapist and voice later in which the vibration sound healer. So one day massage clients said to me Judith, you’re an actress said yes, she so do you do that stuff would say Because no one really understands the voice, vibration sound healing element of what I do. So I said, Yes. Bruce has got to give a talk on a specific point of shipping or two at solicitors and a couple of weeks and he hates public speaking. Do you know anyone who could help him? So Bruce is her husband? And I said, Yes. And I started thinking of the people who I knew who did that stuff. And it was one of those moments where, you know, sometimes you get a time when your brain knocks on the inside of your skull. And it’s kind of like, boy, you, boy, you know, you, you say hi, I was thinking of all these other people, and then I went, Oh, so I said, me. And when I helped Bruce, and terrified like, I was like, Who am I to? You know, this failed out of work actress I your mind to tell the 65 year old magistrate how to talk on his topic of shrinking law. Turns out, I was the perfect person. And I realised in that moment in our session that it’s not necessarily about the skills you have for articulation or projection or stage presence, which of course, are all important. But actually, in that session is when I came to my realisation that it’s all about how connected you are to what you’re saying, and how important that is not to you, but to the people you’re speaking to. So, Bruce, it was, he was talking and I was just like, there’s something wrong here and I so I just asked him, Why is this important? Well, blah, blah, blah. And what are you worried about? Well, people are just going to think it’s boring. That’s the problem. The problem is what he’s thinking other people will think about him. And that is the core of the work I do so anyway, needless to say, long story short, Bruce’s talk went down very well. And when he gave me the feedback, I showed it in my newsletter that I send out to my massage clients. I then got about three or four massage clients emailing me. I didn’t know you did that, or could you help me? And one of one of those was a coach and trainer. And about five minutes into our session, she said to me, I didn’t know you’re a coach. I said, I’m not sure but you’ve got to catch. What’s the catch? because these were the blissful days before I knew of the whole massive coaching world and industry and, and she said that you’re doing coaching, what you’re doing is coaching. And so I looked into it and I went and trained as a coach. And then I’m so now I bring all of those skills together to create what I do now.

Tony Winyard 6:49
And so how long ago was that?

Judith Quin 6:52
That was 2011 when I first worked with Bruce Then I didn’t actually go and train as a coach until yes 2015 So, I’ve got I’ve been focusing so until then I was still acting and massaging and the sound healing and coaching you need 5 million balls in the air. I’m so I’ve been really just focused on what I’m doing now. Since two well for two and a half years,

Tony Winyard 7:33
Do you enjoy it?

Judith Quin 7:34
Oh my god, I love it. I would have to also acting and I are now on an official break. And for me to for me to step away from acting to do anything else is a testament to how powerful this work is acting was my vocation it’s only ever wanted to do since I was about eight. It’s definitely all I wanted to do since I was 14 and now 46 just to get the A frame of reference to not 21. And so for me to step away from acting, to pursue something else, it had to be there had to be massive. It had to be huge. And, and this is the work is amazing the transformations that it gives people in their lives is beyond anything I could have anticipated. And yeah, I mean, just the other day I had a woman who saw me speak at an event 18 months ago. But yeah, she bought my book for her daughter. Her daughter had been had a severe depression and anxiety and this lady she said to me, just a couple of weeks ago, I was speaking for the same people. And she said, I don’t know if you remember, but I bought your book from my daughter and I spent thousands of pounds on therapy for her. And after the event, I can notice things were changing about two or three weeks after the I’ve noticed things are changing in her and I said to her, something shifted with me was was different. And she said, Judah spoke bloody excellent. This is like my Bible. And so, you know, there isn’t actually exceeding expectations high, it’s been thousands of pounds on therapy, if you’re going to spend 12 quid on a book, and suddenly she shift. So, I mean, whether it’s just the book made the therapy makes sense, which is probably what it was. But the fact that, you know, 12 pound Berg has changed, not just that girl’s life, you know, at the age of 19. But also the life of her mom the life of the rest of her family, because she’s now a changed person. And this woman was, I mean, I was in tears when she told me this. You think, wow, I did not expect my book to have that much of an impact.

Tony Winyard 9:50
And so what is the Book and when did you write it?.

Judith Quin 9:55
I started writing it. I don’t know how many years ago because the idea of came to me. And then when I trained as a coach, I was like, Oh, actually other people. I’m not the only person to think like this. And maybe this is an idea that needs to go out there. And so I released it in February 2017, I think, and it is called stop shooting, start wanting. And I had lots of coaches telling me that was an awful title. You shouldn’t call it that they’d say, well started this is stop shooting, so stop shooting me. And then there’s a customer wants means to not have an Iron Man, I know that, that most people don’t know what they want. So lots of coaches are saying, Oh, you should you should call it Stop shooting start using I was like No, because if people are shooting, they’ll start choosing from their shirts. And if we shoot if we choose from our shirts, which is in the wrong things we need to choose from what we want and if we don’t have that in our life right now. is a want a not having and start when but if we know what we want, we can start making the right choices. Well, and also that is the first step to finding your voice. Because if you don’t know what you want, then how can you ask for it?

Tony Winyard 11:16
What is your intention? And what do you hope people will get from the book?

Judith Quin 11:22
When I wrote it, it was to help people take more of their power into their life. So they’re making choices for themselves. I realised. So this came to me when I was backpacking. So when I was 24, and I went travelling for a while, I didn’t know how long I was going to go travelling for it ended up being two and a quarter years. And I was somewhere and I was in Chicago. And I think, you know, I really should go to the Museum of Modern Art. I think it was Irish and then I stopped by the bay, looking over Great leg. Okay, why should I? Why? Why do I feel like I should? Because the guidebooks tell me that it’s really good because I tried to go yesterday but it was closing or because. So that I can say to other people, oh, yes, I went there and I saw, blah, blah, blah. So there is no shirt. I’m travelling by myself. I have no obligations. I have no duty to anyone that there is. There is no should. Do I want to go to the museum right now. No, I don’t want to sit here by the lake and enjoy the sunshine. So that was my moment. And I called how many people go through life feeling and doing things because they feel like they should. And it comes with such a healthy energy of obligation and duty. And I have to do that. It’s like, it’s like you’re walking through Mike. Well, if you don’t want to do it, don’t do it. But here’s the thing. Be prepared to take the consequences. So then if you do decide to do that thing that you feel like you should well make it a wanting said because wanting to do something has an entirely different energy. And so, the, for me if any of these people get anything out of the book is the lightness of choosing to do something rather than feeling obliged, so going from duty to desire because that will help you lead a an energetic to lighter life and you will feel more empowered and then it also starts giving you the one of the biggest challenges people have, that I’ve come across in the work that I do is the ability to say no, and it will start giving people the ability to say no to things they really don’t want to do and the ability to start saying yes Stop asking for the things that they really do want.

Tony Winyard 14:05
Have there been any reactions to the book which maybe you weren’t expecting in a good or bad way?

Judith Quin 14:13
I’ve not had any negative feedback at all. And maybe that’s because people aren’t, don’t have the courage to tell me. So if you’re listening to this and you have read it and you thought it was a pile of poo, then feel free to let me know. Because I’m all about vocal confidence, right? Being able to express and being able to step into your power and I’ve not received any negative feedback, which is lovely, surprising feat, but the most surprising thing for me when it first came out, I sent it someone sent me a message it was out on what’s it called Kindle. And I put it out there as it is released today 99 p for today only. And within about two minutes someone a message saying, bought it downloaded it started reading it on the bus. I was terrified. And I hadn’t realised how by putting my voice out there in this way, particularly in a way that I didn’t understand because I don’t do Kindles, and I haven’t had the paperback in my hands at this point. So my book wasn’t really real to me at this point. Having that, suddenly come back and then starting to have people saying, Oh my goodness, I haven’t realised how much I was shooting. There was a couple of people who just want this is the perfect time is helping me make choices about and about job that I want to do. So those that that exceeded my expectations. I didn’t realise that people would use it for such important things in their life.

Tony Winyard 15:59
And how did you You find the actual book writing process of sort of collecting your thoughts.

Judith Quin 16:05
Quite easy. I’m a natural writer, I’ve written a lot of poetry my whole life. But I’m also because this is the ability to channel your thoughts, whether you’re doing that, through writing or speaking for me as long as you’re in the right zone, and you have the right intention. So again, it’s about sharing your voice. And if you’re sharing your voice from a deepest truth, and a higher purpose, then my deepest truth for this book was shooting is bad. My higher purpose was to help others look at life from a different perspective. And it was if I can touch one person’s life by writing this book and helping them look at things in a different way. And then that’s a win The other thing about writing the book, which is why it was quite easy for me is I actually I started writing it quite a while before. And then it was the summer of 2016. And I was in a very bad space. I was not wanting to be here anymore in this life thought not plans just for those who are out there. And and it was part of my structure that got me into a better place. So I allowed myself the structure of half an hour of crying and feeling miserable and sorry for myself. Then, in that process of like, what can I do that will make me feel like I’ve I’ve achieved something wasn’t right. I’ve got to finish that damn book. I’ve just got I’ve been writing it for a couple of years. I’ve done bits here bits there. If I if I finish writing the book, I feel like I’ve achieved something I feel like I’ve got something done. So then every morning was half an hour for It’s both fine. And then I have to do an hour to 90 minutes of writing every day and then go for my half hour walk. And of course, when you’re writing about making positive choices about deciding, well, what do you want more? It’s hard to stay in a negative headspace. So actually, the writing of the book was really easy for me because I gave myself a really clear structure. It was just an hour a day. That was my minimum. Sometimes I’d write for about 90 minutes. I’d never write for more than two hours. I think there was just that first thing in the morning 630 clear space, no internet. That was very important. No internet. First thing in the morning, so my head wasn’t filled with any other distractions. It was just purely the book. So it came quite easily because it was the everything I was focused on at that time in the day, and if ever I did get stuck, then I just asked myself the question, What am I sharing here? What am I trying to say?

Tony Winyard 19:05
Before we were chatting about, you told me about some of the stories that you have about how you’ve helped people exceed expectations and so on you talking about a wedding speech?

Judith Quin 19:14
Yes, so, a woman who I knew from a Facebook group, so she knew what I did from there. She her husband was an extreme introvert. And his brother had said, Would you be best man? And he said, Yes. And then he realised that meant having to give a wedding speech, which was his idea of hell. And, and on the phone call when we had our connection call, which was painful because he would clearly hated speaking to people who didn’t know so much that the phone call was really awkward. So I just I asked him a very simple question. He wanted to work on this wedding speech and I just said to him, so Is it just the wedding speech? Or does this inability to speak in front of others get in the way of any other part of your life? And he said, Yes, the whole of it. And so, we ended up actually doing a half day intensive together, and then a 60 day programme. And we didn’t actually even work on the reading speech until the last few sessions of the 60 day programme. Because the barrier that he had was and what which most people have, it was a thing from school that he’d even completely forgotten about. And so he came for a wedding speech, but actually he was just he’s a carpenter. And he was going from working on big building sites to setting up his own business. So he was having to go and speak to new clients. He was having to speak to estate agents and going to conference Isn’t engaging with people a small talk with his was you know, he just couldn’t stand it like what’s the point of small talk? And so he, he came for a wedding speech. But at the end of it, he left feeling so much more confident feeling able to connect with people in life. And he said to me on our last session, he said he was was still working on a on a big site, and he had just started a new contract. And he went, Oh, yeah, because I should tell you, this week was great. It’s like, you know, by the end of the week, I’d actually started talking to other guys who were on the site. I was like, Okay, so how would How long would that have taken you? Normally, you know, this was with this. This took you there by the end of the week. You were talking to them? What would it have taken you before he went? Oh, the last contract it was eight months. Wow. So that you know, talk about exceeding expectations. You know, he, and I was like, how’s this helping you. So it makes life so much easier. It makes life so much nicer. Like, I feel like I’m a part of the team as opposed to just some guy sitting in the corner getting on with his own job and, and his wife, actually, after the first half day intensive, just phoned me up or sent a message saying, I don’t know what you’ve done to him. But in four hours with you, he’s changed more than in the whole time. I’ve known him. And she’s actually she’s an extrovert. So she has other other challenges. And she’s coming to do a two day intensive with me next weekend. But actually, it was he was the one who turned around to her and said, You’re only not doing it because you can’t, you’re not putting the value on your own life. You spend that money on other people, but you’re not valuing yourself. So, but it’s amazing he came for he came to be able to do a wedding speech, but actually he’s been able to build his business. Because of the work we did, he’s been able to feel a part of a team rather than isolated. And he can go out and not have to have five pints before he drinks to five pints before he talks to someone he doesn’t know.

Tony Winyard 23:17
Did he? Did he ever let you know how that would in speech did go?

Unknown Speaker 23:21
Yes, it went really well. And he actually and that exceeded my expectations. Suddenly this bunch of flowers arrived saying with a thank you so much. I could never have done it without you. And I actually, I actually did, I asked his wife. I said, Oh, did you know him to send the flowers? She had no, no, no, that was all off his own back. So young people laughed, and he did it. And he didn’t. He wasn’t a quivering, sweating. mess of a wreck before doing it either. He managed to enjoy it. Fantastic.

Tony Winyard 23:52
And there was another story about a CEO that you mentioned as well.

Unknown Speaker 23:56
Ah, no, so this was so the client wasn’t a scene. Although I have worked with a couple, the client was someone who worked for an international travel company. And she worked in sustainability. And this travel company had their own airline as well. So, you know, big company, and she loved her job in China was really important. But she was, again, quite quietly spoken, and of a demographic, whereby she does not expect to be heard. So She’s the youngest daughter, from a Muslim family. And she’s first generation. So in her societal structure, she said, You know what we don’t, we don’t count, we don’t have a voice. And so in work, when she try and change share ideas, in team meetings, because she’s quietly spoken, people wouldn’t hear her or someone would hear her and then steal her idea and they share and then they’d get credit for it. She wanted to be able to express herself with more confidence to share her ideas, because she wanted promotion. She wanted to, you know, go further and her work. So she came to my two day workshop, which is a group workshop with that focus to be able to go and share in meetings more. Well, on day two of the workshop, she said, I want to I want to share something, okay, is that I’ve realised last night, that if I want to, if I want my daughters to not have the same problems I have, I need to divorce my husband.

Tony Winyard 25:37

Judith Quin 25:41
I just like to say a caveat. If you come to my workshop, that doesn’t mean you’ll end up getting divorced. I did have someone at the workshop directly the workshop after that, who I said we looked at it. Yes, my husband and I were up to three o’clock in the morning talking and I was like, oh God, not again. And this lady said first Time ever I let him know how much I hate speaking. And, and he runs events and always gets her to MC them. And, and he said, Oh my God, why didn’t you tell me and they ended up having this massive conversation and open themselves up to the for the first time in 14 years I told him stuff that I was afraid he might think I was stupid for and he was so supportive and it was amazing, and we’re stronger than we ever were. So so you know, you don’t have to go and get divorces. You can come and enhance your relationships. But anyway, the initial the First Lady, so she did that, but then when she went back to work, she left the workshop and she said, right, I want to get a mentor. And my goal is to get a mentor and be heard in team meetings. Well, she started sharing a team meeting she started making her opinion known she found a mentor because they started seeing her showing up more. And again, not like story short, she ended up going to the company’s annual, like CEO and directors meeting of which like so 200 normal staff or lower staff members will put into a ballot to be picked to go and share their ideas, says 200 people in the ballot 12 got picked. And she was one of those 12 So then she messaged me going, Oh, how am I going to network with these people so much more experienced so much more superior to me and, you know, inferiority complex comes in and but she went and again, she was heard. And she came back from that with a meeting with three directors. And from the meeting of those three directors, she then and not having a one on one meeting just her and the CEO of the company that she worked for. And this was within six months of the two day workshop. So again, you know, she came just wanting to be able to share her ideas into meetings, she ended up sharing her ideas with the CEO of the company. And she works in sustainability. And my mission is to transform the lives. Back then it was a minimum of a million people. But now the numbers gone up. So it’s to transform the lives of more than 100 million people by creating more confident, connected communicators. The reason why that number went up was because of this lady, that she works in sustainability and a travel company that have an airline. So she shares an idea that, I don’t know say, takes two pieces of plastic away from every person on every flight. Like how many hundreds of thousands of lives is that going to impact already? So, so one person create can create so many ripples and you You never know, where by you sharing your voice by use standing up and saying something, you don’t know where that’s going to end up. And that is that’s what I think is so amazing about this work is, you know, it’s hard to it’s hard to quantify I don’t know, I, I don’t know the differences that she has made, I know I know for sure has made a difference to her life, her daughter’s life, her ex husband’s life. But, but then maybe, you know, I don’t know the differences that she’s putting into that company. So how many hundreds of thousands of lives is that impacting? Because this person is now sharing her ideas. She’s having meetings with directors and CEOs. And this is a person who would sit in a team meeting and never be heard before.

Tony Winyard 29:51
So when people come to you initially, why is there a common common thread or is it quite different for many people?

Judith Quin 29:59
There are a couple of common threads one is wanting confidence to be able to do public speaking. Another is they are like that lady, their setup of not being heard at work so they’re not getting, they love their job, they’re good at their job. But they get looked over for promotion because they’re not seen and heard. And and the other thing people come for is for the, for the more energetic healing clearing element of the work because they know that they’re stopping themselves from moving forward in life holding themselves back energetically and emotionally.

Tony Winyard 30:44
And you touched upon some things at the beginning, you were talking about the common kind of misconceptions about speaking, about having a voice is about speaking and so on.What are the main misconceptions people have do you think? And why is that?

Judith Quin 31:07
So you have one of the world’s mottos is that to have a voice, you need to be a loud speaker. And actually, you can have a voice by your actions and makes them extinction rebellion, right? Anyone who’s going on a protest right now, they are sharing their voice. And every time you write, if you write an article or a book or an email, you’re sharing your voice. So having a voice isn’t just about speaking, speaking is the most direct way that we share our voice. But if you think of artists, artists share their voice through through their work. So having a voice is about knowing what it is. You believe in having a voice is is your inner voice is what you stand for. It’s what you are sure of what you’re willing to make a stand for or stand up for. And for some people, them they would much rather do that for other people than for themselves. And this then sort of leads into that having feeling like they need to be outspoken, or being able to stand up and then that public speaking, is is what you do from a stage in front of a big audience. That’s, that’s a big misconception. So, for me, all speaking is public speaking. Like I said earlier, when you’re sharing an idea or a thought, a feeling or an opinion that you have inside and you’re telling someone else that’s making that public so the same nerves can hit you. Depending on the situation, because the confidence to do that is situational. You could be perfectly confident sharing an idea with your partner. But then if you want to share that same idea, with 10 strangers in a room, you could be terrified because it’s the situation that’s changed. And the biggest misunderstanding, and I have I have a stance which is potentially controversial, but it is there is no such thing as public as a fear of public speaking. So people think they’re afraid of public speaking, but they’re not.

Tony Winyard 33:34
What is the fear then?

Judith Quin 33:37
The fear of judgement. It’s the fear of the unknown. More is the fear of being seen. So being seen to be a fraud being seem to be lacking, being seen. But literally being seen to being looked at some people just don’t like the way they look. They’re self conscious. So when you speak people tend to look at you So for some people, it’s that but the biggest one is the fear of judgement. And that’s what people are afraid of, you’re not afraid of speaking. You’re afraid of what they might think of you.

Tony Winyard 34:12
You mentioned before about the lady who attended the workshop and she was quite sort of shy and introverted and that the beginning is there. So before I asked you, is there a common thread when people come to see you? Is it more a case of introverted people often have these issues and extroverted people often have those issues? Is it something along those lines?

Judith Quin 34:32
I work with both introverts and extroverts. So I think extroverts hide it better. But then also sometimes it means they say stuff. And just for the hell of saying it doesn’t mean they are any less unsure of themselves. So different the same thread goes throughout It is particularly with let’s take public speaking, which means standing in front of your team standing in front of an audience and being interviewed on a podcast. The challenge with that is normally something that happened at school, normally between the age of six and 14. And usually, that thing is so small that you’ve forgotten about it. Yeah. And it doesn’t matter whether you’re an introvert or an extrovert, you just respond differently. So, it’s, it’s about the biggest The biggest difference is if you are more introverted, you are maybe less likely to just go so that I’m going to put myself out there anyway. So you’ll probably be more hidden, but the actual fears and the actual thought process generally the same.

Tony Winyard 35:56
When are your general thoughts on exceeding expectations You know, why is it something that you think people should consider what comes to your mind when you think of that phrase?

Judith Quin 36:08
That thing of going the extra mile. But in a way that doesn’t have to be it doesn’t have to be huge is the exceeding expectations for me is about. For the work that I do, it’s it’s helping people see so much more of themselves. But it kept the is the little touches. That’s I think those are the things for me that always exceed my expectations. And the reason it’s important is because it makes you feel cared about as an individual. Yeah, that’s, that’s the key is the little touches. It’s my coach who occasionally will send me a postcard and see when I when my I have a an inspiration deck or an Oracle deck of cards that I use. For sound healing, and when they launched, I was so excited. And I did a Facebook Live. And my coach took some screenshots of that Facebook Live and put it on a postcard with the miracle of some app, I imagine. And this postcard arrived two days later. And I was just like, oh, wow, that’s exceeding expectations. It’s personal touches, because it helps remind those who you are giving those expectations you know, who whose expectations you are exceeding, you are saying to them, you can’t you you you as an individual, you are important. And we all love it. When when that happens, and when we exceed our own expectations. Then Anything is possible and that’s very much the realm that I’m in the I’m in is helping people expeed the exedra expectations.

Tony Winyard 38:01
And and it’s funny you say that cos I think that’s an element people too often forget or overlook about doing it for themselves as well.

Judith Quin 38:08
Yeah. And I know some of us have outrageously high expectations of ourselves. So it’s difficult for us to exceed our expectations. But it’s the spirit for those who, who don’t expect much from life or from themselves. I think it’s just so amazed such an amazing gift to be able to offer people is actually you are capable of so much more than you expected. You are, You have so much in you. And the important thing is, I see that in you. You count enough for me to give you this little bit more to offer you that experience or that gift or that postcard, whatever it is.

Tony Winyard 39:14
If people want to find out more about your course and workshop and book and so um, what were they go to do this.

Judith Quin 39:21
The best place is my website, everything’s on there, it’s quite dense. But if you want to come to an event or a group event that’s under the Events tab, if you want to work with me on your voice, that’s under the voice tab on voice vibration sound anything that’s under sound so, but what I do have there for people to get an idea of me is I have some freebies on the resources for life page though I have a top 10 tips for talking. I have a free select meditation, and you can book a 20 minute connection call with me. The phrase well and I don’t do heavy sales letters letter. He needs expectations. Hey, coaches on a very clever sales call. know it’s a connection call to know you know what it is that you could do and if you have a specific thing that you a specific way that your body responds to around especially try

Tony Winyard 40:24
Judith, it’s been a real pleasure speaking to you and thank you for taking your time to come on the show and best of luck for the future.

Judith Quin 40:30
Thank you

Tony Winyard 40:31
Next week Episode 66 with Estie Rand. She’s an internationally acclaimed lecturer, award winning business consultant and marketing strategies. She helps small business owners scale their businesses where they can get six and seven figures in profit. It’s a really interesting episode fascinating conversation with Estie, and I’m pretty sure you’re going to get a lot of value on next week’s episode which comes out on Christmas Eve. I hope you’ve enjoyed this week’s show with Judith and hope the end didn’t spoil the enjoyment too much for you. Hope you have a fantastic week and see you next week.

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