Gina Dallison

229 – Gina Dallison

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Welcome to episode 229 of the art of living proactively. My Guest today, Gina Dallison. And it’s quite a thought provoking discussion I have with Gina today about the power of our choices. And she emphasizes the importance of taking control of our bodies. And practicing self care while shedding light on the detrimental impact of fear, stress, anxiety, and depression in a healing journey. So we talk about the exploring the transformative practice of gratitude, how that can shift the mindset towards positivity. And she talks about the book the magic by rhonda byrne which she found her as a really helpful resource She delves in to the extensive research and alternative methods of healing from multiple sclerosis And challenges the limitations of the medical profession in addressing root causes of illness She share some personal experiences, and advocates for a better understanding of our bodies so that’s all coming up in this week’s episode of the art of living practically with Gina Dallison Remember that all episodes are also now on video on youtube and you can find the transcripts on the website at tonywinyard.com/podcast Hope you enjoy this week’s show

[00:01:21] Tony Winyard: welcome to another edition of, the Art of Living proactively, I can’t even remember the name of my own podcast. The Art of Living Proactively, and my guest today, Gina Dallison, how you doing, Gina?

[00:01:31] Gina Dallison: I’m really well, thank.

[00:01:34] Tony Winyard: Well, and I’ve gotta say a big thank you for coming on again because we did record an episode. Wow. I think it was like January or something, didn’t we? that was

[00:01:43] Gina Dallison: way Again, a lot’s happened.

[00:01:45] Tony Winyard: that was when the podcast was gonna be called The Escape from the Vicious Circle, and then I realised actually, no, I don’t want to go that direction.

I’m gonna go this direction instead. So I’m, yeah. I very much appreciate you coming on for a second time, so thank you.

[00:02:01] Gina Dallison: Uh, my pleasure is, yeah, good conversations are always enjoyable. So thanks for having me again.

[00:02:07] Tony Winyard: That’s okay. So let, let’s start then. So if I was to ask the question, who is Gina? How would you answer that?

[00:02:16] Gina Dallison: Who is Gina? Oh my goodness. I would say on the Gina is a, what’s coming up is a light worker; it’s this whole idea that, you know, shining light into the world because in world where there’s lots darkness, there’s. Yeah, I, I don’t see that. So when I talked to my clients and we were talking just before we came on, what is it that I really do? I help people feel better, and that’s by actually putting a light in the darkness without wanting to sound too big for my boots. Yeah, that’s what I do.

[00:02:57] Tony Winyard: And, and you’ve got, um, I mean you, you are working with a certain type of people mostly, if I remember rightly.

[00:03:03] Gina Dallison: Well, I’m on a bit of a healing journey myself, so I’m currently living with some quite challenging symptoms with multiple sclerosis, meaning that if I’m walking great behind the screen, it’s not a problem, but if I’m walking, I use two sticks, and I’m quite laborious. It feels like I’m wearing. I call them my gravity pants.

It feels like my, my legs are really, really heavy and really hard to lift up, and my balance is not good either. So I’ve got wobbly gravity pants and, um, yeah, my bladder doesn’t, isn’t always as in control as I would like it to be. So there are my three sort of symptoms that I’m living with on a daily basis, but I’m. Yeah, this, this, this healing journey is taking me on a very interesting, interesting track. I’m meeting incredible people. I’m learning a lot of modalities, and like I said, it’s, it’s all around feeling better. So I use lots of techniques that, you know, my, my, my self-care practice or my daily practice is quite extensive.

A lot of. Time and energy on me and my healing at moment. And if I can support others that are also on a healing journey. And I do that, I’ve got a Facebook group called the Healing Vibrations Network, where we just connect and help people keep, help people feel better, help people feel better. And a lot of the time I’m connecting with other people with MS because.

It’s, it’s an easy connect and, um, we share a lot of experiences and we get each other. So that tends to be, but I interestingly, my latest clients are both not in that field at all. Um, although they have had, they are dealing with some sort of, In, well one of them has had a, a brain injury and one of thems got like a, an ear problem. So I think by the time we reach midlife, you are very, very lucky If you are not dealing with or have dealt with some sort of health crisis. Might sound a bit dramatic, but some sort of health problem or challenge. Um, yeah.

[00:05:20] Tony Winyard: How would you define Well, So you mentioned multiple sclerosis, and I know fibromyalgia is quite similar.

[00:05:28] Gina Dallison: Mm.

[00:05:30] Tony Winyard: What differences are there between the two of.

[00:05:34] Gina Dallison: Well, I think from what my understanding of fibromyalgia, the challenge that they have over people with multiple sclerosis is MS. Is, is, is recognized as a something that you can diagnose. Cause we go through, you know, MRI scans and, and they see the lesions, whereas fibromyalgia, It’s more of a collection of symptoms that I think they don’t really know what it is.

It’s, it can be very similar as in it’s. Fibromyalgia tends to be a lot more painful, certainly from from my symptoms. My symptoms aren’t painful as such. They’re annoying and debilitating, but not necessarily I’m not in chronic pain, which I think a lot of people fibromyalgia are, and that is a real that, well, that must be a real challenge and real draining on your quality of life.

Definitely.

[00:06:25] Tony Winyard: And it wasn’t it this, well, as far as I’m aware, until very recently, many doctors doubted that it even existed and, and even some now, still there.

[00:06:34] Gina Dallison: Well, this is it. It’s like, so people are, not only are they in pain, they then go to the doctor with these things and they have all these tests, and the doctor comes back and says, there’s nothing wrong with you. Yet they’re in pain and they can’t walk properly and they, and they’re not necessarily taken seriously.

And that’s quite often the case people with MS as well. Or they get misdiagnosed with various different things. And I think with quite a lot of autoimmune diseases, it’s similar. It’s almost like they’re the medical professional glitching at straws. they don’t really know. They don’t know the, thethe, the root causes of these things.

And we’ve got a collective of symptoms and it’s horrible and people have gotta live with it and not actually have any answers because our doctors don’t know. In the world.

[00:07:28] Tony Winyard: So when, were you first sort of die or when did this first sort of start happening to you?

[00:07:33] Gina Dallison: So I was diagnosed in 2009 after real about of real severe numbness in my legs and feet, I mean, bad enough so I wasn’t driving I couldn’t feel the pedals properly. It came up into my, uh, hands as well. Again, bad enough. So I was struggling holding a pencil, so it was quite, quite severe. But looking back, I’d had symptoms.

Not as severe as them, but I’d had numbness in the bottom of my feet, which I knew was a bit odd. But when I went to sort of get it checked out of the doctor, I, I was just getting, I did go to see a neurologist, but he was just fobbing me off every, oh, just come back in six months and we’ll see how it is.

And in the end, I just thought, you know what? I just live with it, it’s not a problem. And then it disappeared off as MS does, you have sort of flareups and then it, it, it, you know, periods of remission. And then in 2009 it, you know, it really flared up. And, uh, that’s when I went through the process. But even that, I remember going to the GP and saying, this was going on.

I’d got numbness in my legs. Um, and they, they put it, oh, it’s probably just stress. So then yes, it, well, it might be or it might not be. And then I think I had a friend who said that they’d got numbness in their legs and it turned out that they’d actually got a prolapsed disc and she ended, her friend ended up, woke up one morning, just wasn’t able to walk.

And although she was able to get a walking done once they sorted out the disc, she never actually had any feeling down below. So she couldn’t, she didn’t know when she was going to the toilet and she also couldn’t feel, um, any, anything when she was having sex. So I was like, that’s not gonna happen to me.

So I went back to the doctor. he said, look, I’m sure it’s nothing but would you like an mri? Cause by this point I’m in tears. I didn’t know what was wrong with me. And I said, yes, I would. So it was only my insistence that actually pushed to get an mri. And then the MRI came back with, oh yeah, there is something there.

So it takes a lot. And that’s, you know, that’s my experience. But I’ve heard some people go years and years just trying to get a diagnosis thinking that they’re mad and they’re making it all up and yeah, which is, which makes it even worse.

[00:09:43] Tony Winyard: Yeah, cuz that adds to the stress which is the last thing they need.

[00:09:46] Gina Dallison: Well, this is it, and then you are given the diagnosis. So one of the things that I, I talk about, and I wanna get it out there, this is my TED talk to be, is the whole idea that when we’re given a diagnosis, it doesn’t help to our healing. So I was told at my diagnosis and I was told it in a, in a very nice way.

There is a nice way by a very nice doctor who’s very gentle, but she basically said to me that, You know, I’d got an incurable disease that was likely to get worse and that there was nothing that I could do about it. And they tend to be what most people get told. So with that, whether it’s, you know, and you, you could be telling this and some people have been told it.

You need to go away and sort out your affairs and get the idea of being in a wheelchair because that’s what’s gonna happen. So real quite, oh my God, I’ve gone from being in my thirties quite fit and healthy cycling all over the place to, oh, I could be in a wheelchair. when you get a diagnosis, it gets delivered with a massive dose of fear.

[00:10:47] Tony Winyard: All.

[00:10:48] Gina Dallison: And from what I’ve learned on my healing journey is that when we’re infear. Our body isn’t in healing mode. Cause when we’re in fear, we’re ready to fight that tiger or run from it and therefore our body’s not doing the rest and repair that it needs to do. The autoimmune system sort of shuts down because it’s, you know, doesn’t wanna fight diseases if tiger’s about to eat you. So it. To me, it doesn’t make any sense the way that we are actually given a diagnosis and if we were delivered it in a slightly different way, Hey you’ve got an imbalance going on here. And if we actually look at, so I’ve got, I’ve created a tool that allows my clients to look at all the different areas of their life that could impact their health. So I was told there was nothing I can do about it, but that’s just not true. There’s the obvious things like diet and exercise, but there’s also things like your environment. Where are you working? Where are you living? How happy are you? How much purpose have you got in your life? You know, there’s so much I’ve come up with, like I said, 33 areas, and I’m sure there’s more. then allows people to give an inventory of their life, and I think if doctors were sort of to suggest to people, Hey, life might not be what you thought it was gonna be. But it doesn’t have to be a bad thing. This can be a wake up call. The podcast that I was creating was around changing the perspective of illness, around interviewing people that have unwrapped the gift in their illness.

And I talk about illness being a gift because it forces you to change or you can just get angry at it and, uh, yeah. Be annoyed. Um, so the whole idea of illness being a gift, it’s like, no, that feels a bit, bit far fetched, but it’s like, I’m not, not saying it’s a wanted gift and it’s not saying it’s wrapped up in very pretty paper.

It’s usually wrapped up in pretty ugly, smelly paper and you don’t even wanna go there. But once you start unwrapping it, then actually it can, yeah. Being, ill forces you to look at things differently. And that’s, not a bad thing.

[00:12:56] Tony Winyard: Yeah, and as you were saying that, it made me remember I used to do a lot of work for fundraising for Guide Dogs for the Blind, cuz my, my mom went blind many years ago and I was on one trip with some blind people and we were cycling across New Zealand. There was this young guy who, uh, Murrey, I’ll never forget him.

He was an amazing character. He was, I think he was 19 when we were on the trip, and he was built like a massive rugby player. He was huge. Completely blind, couldn’t see a thing, and he’d gone blind at 14. So it was only five years previous. And yet his attitude to life was just so positive and laughing and taking the mick out of people.

He had such a positive mindset and he refused to let the blindness just kill his life. You know, he would, and, and the things that he would do were just, he would, every time we arrived at a different destination, cuz we would cycle for so many miles, stay overnight somewhere, cycle so many miles, stay overnight.

And every time we arrived at a place, he would grab one of the bikes and go cycling around the, the car park on his own. And he, he could just sense when he was getting near to a car.

[00:14:08] Gina Dallison: Wow.

[00:14:08] Tony Winyard: Yeah. As you say, it’s about, you can just kind of, keel over and just accept what’s gonna happen to you. And then you’re just gonna go down pretty quick.

Or you could decide, okay, now I’m gonna fight this, or I’m not gonna let this get the best of me, I guess.

[00:14:22] Gina Dallison: Well, yeah, I think there’s a couple of things cuz acceptance is, is a, is quite a big piece. Accepting where you are now, but also accepting that actually the doctor just told what they told you, that’s from their perspective of the world and what they’ve learned, but actually they’re not living in your body. They’re not knowing what you are knowing.

Um, so you can choose to accept their prognosis or they, okay, that could be my truth. But once I started researching outside of our medical profession, you know, healing from multiple sclerosis, and there are loads of people that are living symptom free without taking a myriad of drugs. After they’ve been quite disabled, you know, after they’ve been quite ill.

So I know it’s possible. There’s so many ideas of what root causes are. You know, your toxins, parasites have come up a lot recently. For me, your environment, the way you deal with emotions and unresolved emotions. Childhood traumas can be a big thing and really stick in the body.

So there’s so much that our medical profession don’t look into in the 10 minute consultation that they have. They look at the diagnosis, okay, this is what you’ve got. There’s the label. Let’s give you some medication that hopefully will calm it down and so you won’t get as bad as so quickly. And, uh, that might, yeah, you, you might suffer from side effects.

You might not. So let’s, uh, so, so yeah, so I’m, I’m very much on the idea that illness. And it’s coming across more and more. There’s, by the time you reach 50 now, the chances of you having a long-term illness. I think when I first did my research, which is probably about five, certainly pre covid, um, you know, it is a one in eight chance that you’d actually have, you know, some sort of chronic illness.

I would suggest now the covid and with all that fear and with long Covid. Which is very similar, very similar symptoms. Then it’s probably more like a one in five, one in six chance so living with a long-term health condition and you sort of have to learn to live with it. So you have to learn to adapt. But bit like your friend with the cycling, it’s like, It feels like doors are shutting.

It’s like you can’t do what you used to do. You can’t, you know, you can’t, I can’t cycle anymore. I can’t, yeah. Can’t run. I can’t necessarily, it doesn’t mean to say I can’t live.

[00:16:47] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:16:48] Gina Dallison: You know, people in wheelchairs can have, I mean, look at Stephen Hawkins. Stephen Hawkins is just like, wow, you know what he achieved when he could barely move a muscle is just actually, yeah,

[00:17:03] Tony Winyard: the ParaOlympics is just, you

[00:17:05] Gina Dallison: yeah.

In incredible.

[00:17:07] Tony Winyard: and what they’re doing. Yeah.

[00:17:08] Gina Dallison: And if you hear some of their stories as well, a lot of them will say they’re actually pre-injury or pre, you know, that actually this has been the making of them. They, they’re grateful for that injury, they’re grateful for that illness that took off. I wouldn’t have been, I wouldn’t have been Olympian before, before I had that thing where my legs got chopped off or whatever.

And look, look at, I’ve shown that capable

[00:17:31] Tony Winyard: Mm. Well, so, so the name of the podcast now is all about, you know, proactivity and the art of living proactively. So how would you define, what does proactive mean to you when it comes to health?

[00:17:45] Gina Dallison: I think. Really proactive, being proactive about your health is, is taking full responsibility for, for you and your body. Because certainly in the UK when we’ve got the NHS, I think we’re almost taught and certainly in the western world, really a little bit. You get ill. You go to the doctor, the doctor fixes you.

at no point as a child probably would you have been told when you got a stomach ache, or even if you fell over and hurt your knee, would be saying, okay, let’s connect in with the body. What is the body trying to tell you? Maybe what can you learn from the experience of falling over or having a bad stomach ache lets believe that the body can heal itself because it can. If you cut your finger, it’s not still bleeding, is it? everyone’s cut their fingers. So the body is meant to heal.

it’s meant to heal from a little cut, or broken leg, surely it’s meant to heal from, you know, more significant long-term things if we put it in the right place to heal. And that, you know, you as a breathwork instructor, the power of the breath of, of calming that central nervous system allowing your body to be in a place of healing. And of course the world that we’re in now where it’s all so fast paced and it’s we’re getting bombarded all over the place with the information here and there, you gotta do this. Then the fear comes in. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Then we fear our central nervous system is [broken].

[00:19:15] Tony Winyard: Right?

[00:19:16] Gina Dallison: So, I think the work that we do is really about, okay, let’s just take some time, some practices, some practice time to.

[00:19:25] Tony Winyard: Mm-hmm. And what you said there about. That, you know, you cut your finger and then it heals and, and the process that heals is inflammation. So many people look upon inflammation as a dirty word and we don’t ever want inflammation, but, but it’s actually inflammation that does heal us. So it’s kind of like the whole Goldielocks thing, isn’t it?

We don’t want too much inflammation, cuz that isn’t good. But we do need some inflammation because if you don’t have any inflammation, that’s also not good.

[00:19:57] Gina Dallison: Well, this is a bit bit of education around actually how our body works, and it’s quite interesting. Uh, we’ve all probably done biology lessons at school, but the biology lessons are, don’t really bring it home to actually, how does that work in our bodies and how does that actually feel, and what does that mean that we can take from that and learn.

So it’ll be so nice to have a. Schools where they like actually learn about the bodies and how they feel. The anatomy is important as well, cause it’s quite interesting to know what goes where and is that’s your liver or is that your heart and where, where things sit in your body, actually connecting it to rather than a picture on a piece of paper and pointing out the anatomy with long words that you don’t really understand.

So, Oh, if I really tap in, can I actually feel my own heart? Yeah. Can I actually feel my own legs and, and the, you know, the different muscles and, uh, and, and teaching our children to connect with their, their bodies, because I think we’ve, we’ve come to such a place now, we’re so disconnected even with ourselves we expect that actually other people to have the answers.

But I dunno what’s the matter with me, I’ll go see the doctor he’ll tell me, but the doctor, as we described with conditions like fibromyalgia, like, you know, like all the autoimmune disease is really, nobody has to live and, and all the, nobody has to live in your body sentence. But also nobody’s symptoms are the same.

[00:21:37] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:21:39] Gina Dallison: They might have similar ones, but they’ll hear the different.

They’re different. So it’s, it will be amazing if we could get to a place where it’s people at school, kids at school are actually taught. And maybe we can do that as parents. But I think I’ve missed the boat a little bit cause my teenagers just think I’m a little bit mad now. But certainly when they’re youngsters and they’re more open to this and they’re more connected cause they haven’t collected quite, quite as much.

Um, yeah. Rubbish. As we, throw on ourselves all through life.

[00:22:10] Tony Winyard: So how did you come across the idea that, um, that beliefs are so important?

[00:22:18] Gina Dallison: That was early on in my coaching journey. I think. As a coach, we work on beliefs a lot. So if you, I love, my favorite quote is by Henry Ford, and if you believe you can and you, or you believe you can’t, you are all right. And it is, it’s around, we tell ourselves so often that I can’t, I can’t do something.

I mean, um, an an example would be, I had an experience when I was quite young at school basically I was told that I couldn’t sing. Um, and then that was followed up with, you know, another experience where, you know, oh, you can’t sing. And then it’s only like the last couple of years, it’s like, well, course I can sing I might not sound as, as I would like to sound at the moment cause I’m totally untrained to not practice.

Everybody can sing, can’t they? It’s like art. Everyone can draw art. It might not look like you want it to look, but it’s your version of art. It’s saying that you can’t do something that you, and then to carry that through. So what happened as a result of that? Every time there was an opportunity to sing, I’d be at the back of the room, whereas in my younger days, I would’ve said, yeah, yeah, I’ll do, it’ll do it.

But uh, so, so you stopped doing it. You don’t go to singing lessons? Oh. Well, that’s just a simple example of you saying you can’t do something. But when you actually think about it, of course I can sing cause sing is just putting a tune to words. I can sing, you know, whether it sounds right in tune, I don’t know.

But know that can be practiced, cant it? That can be learned if you decide you want it. But simple as that, you can and, and that’s what happens. I’m not sure that’s what happens in my, when I was about seven.

[00:24:03] Tony Winyard: All right.

[00:24:04] Gina Dallison: And, and I’m sure there’s lots of examples of people being shut down at school saying, oh, you’re no good at math.

You’re the dunce, or you, you can’t write stories or whatever it is. That then just stops people dead.

[00:24:17] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:24:17] Gina Dallison: Actually that’s, yeah, that’s, and that’s your belief. That’s all your belief and your belief’s been taken from a teacher maybe or a friend who said something and the teacher maybe wasn’t in the right place or didn’t use the right language or, um, you know, your friend was jealous and didn’t want, you know, you don’t know what’s going on in other people’s world, but then you take that as your truth.

[00:24:38] Tony Winyard: Right.

[00:24:39] Gina Dallison: The more I’ve looked into it, and the more I’ve read and journaled and worked on myself, the more I thought actually, Everybody’s truth is just we can, we can choose our own truths and you know, who knows what the truth is? Nobody does. know the big question in life’s gonna happen when you die. While people are killing each other. to say my gods the right God. Nobody knows.

[00:25:03] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:25:05] Gina Dallison: Truth makes you feel better. And yeah, so, so it’s quite interesting when you sort of go down and start thinking about it and talking to people.

[00:25:15] Tony Winyard: and what you just said there about, you know, people give you their beliefs about what you can or cannot do, but also we. We have so many thoughts throughout the day and not all of them are true even. So some of the things that we, we shouldn’t believe all that we think as well.

[00:25:30] Gina Dallison: Well, no, this is it cuz a lot of, I dunno how many. Thousands of thoughts. I can’t remember. But there’s like hundreds of thousands of thoughts that go through our head every day. Most of them are on repeat. Most of them are quite negative until you start pulling them out and noticing them. And a lot of them probably start with, I can’t.

Or you can’t if you’re talking to yourself, you can’t do that. You can’t go on a video and do podcast. You know, that’s, and that just that simple thought that keeps regurgitating. It might be somebody else’s voice or it might be your own. And of course you can. You can do anything you want. You can do, be or have anything, can’t you?

We know that, but actually living it, I think is a, is a different, is a different thing really.

[00:26:18] Tony Winyard: So for someone who does have conditions such as MS and fibromyalgia and some of those other autoimmune conditions, what, what suggestions would you give them in how they could be more proactive with their condition?

[00:26:32] Gina Dallison: Um, would, I’d start by taking my tour and doing the, and doing this, doing the self-audit, but, but also by recognizing that actually you’ve, you’ve got, you’ve got the control of your body. And if you, if you are body’s in fear, a lot of the time, if you’re feeling stressed, if you’re feeling anxious, if you’re feeling depressed, then your body is not gonna be in a place to heal.

[00:27:00] Tony Winyard: All right.

[00:27:01] Gina Dallison: So it’s if you can move yourself out of one state into another, and the simplest way of doing that that anybody can do is developing a gratitude practice. Cause when you’re in your place of appreciation, then you can’t be in a place of fear at the same time. And it is a practice. And I’ve, and I’ve developed, um, I’ve been recently actually reading or listening to on Audible, a book called The Magic by Rhonda Byrne, who is the lady who wrote The Secret.

[00:27:29] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:27:30] Gina Dallison: This is a, it’s, each chapter is ba I would definitely recommend it to anybody because each chapter is a, is a gratitude practice and it develops on that practice. And, and, and I’ve been doing it now, I think I’m on day 23, so I’ve not finished the book yet. I’m still working through it, but it is definitely helped me.

Just feel better in each moment because you recognize that actually the fact that you’re sitting here listening to this, whoever’s listening to right now, then you’ve got a lot to be grateful for

[00:28:02] Tony Winyard: Hmm.

[00:28:02] Gina Dallison: we’re, you know, we’re in a building, we’re comfortable, we’re warm, we’re dry, we’ve got connection. We can listen to uplifting words from other people.

We can learn from people that are maybe a few steps ahead of where I wanna be going. That is just, In a miracle in itself, the fact that I’ve got a glass of water that I can drink and it’s, but it’s got a lemon squeezed in it as well. And, and even when you think about how did that glass get to me? Who thought way back when to turn sand at a certain temperature could turn it into glass and all the process that has gone to, to get a simple glass on the table.

So when you start really. Thinking about how everything is in our world, got into our world, develops a sort of appreciation to, wow, how lucky am I that I’ve got a vessel that I can drink outta that doesn’t put any toxins in there and doesn’t spill it all over me and feels nice and I can wash easily.

So, so yeah. So it, we should get into that sort of mindset of I’m just gonna be grateful today. Um, it just shifts your energy.

[00:29:13] Tony Winyard: Well, it makes you much more appreciative about things, doesn’t it?

[00:29:17] Gina Dallison: Yeah, and if you’re appreciating, then you’re not in fear.

[00:29:20] Tony Winyard: Yeah.

[00:29:20] Gina Dallison: So you there, they’re sort of almost opposite ends of, of the same scale. Once doubt comes in, you know, oh, I’m scared because you know, I can’t walk properly, or I’m scared because I’m in pain. So whenever anything comes like that, then actually right now, take a breath. What can I appreciate right now? What can I look at? Whether that’s a computer or a glass of water, the sun shining outside the fact that actually I’m on a chair. I’m safe. Yeah, anything that can just Okay. Right now I’m okay. I’m okay.

[00:29:55] Tony Winyard: Well, and, and you said there in, when you were explaining that, and you talked about anyone listening to this, and it made me think, well, anyone who is listening to this, most likely has the mindset that they are looking to improve themselves in, in some way, or they wouldn’t be listening to this in the first place.

So they’re on, they’re on the right track anyway.

[00:30:13] Gina Dallison: Yeah. Yes, definitely. Um, but I think the, the, the taking full responsibility and that is, that is a shift That’s quite interesting actually. Cause that’s one of the first, that’s one of the first videos that I did and put out there. What one thing can you do right now that changes everything? And the one thing is decide actually if I, if, if what I’ve done up to now has got me to this point. And that’s like, not only your actions, but your thoughts, your feelings, your vibrations, all has brought you to here right now. Then it’s possible for me to create my own future and, and I can change things up. You, you can change anything in your life. You can, you can change your diet and become healthier.

You can up your exercise and become fitter. You can decide, you can change your job, you can change anything.

People think they can’t, I think they’re stuck in this rut and I can’t do this and I can’t do that. But yes, you can. Fear might be stopping you or something else is resistance. And again, as coaches, that’s, you know, we get through people’s resistance and help them achieve the goals that they, they wanna achieve.

But you can do anything. You just gotta decide that actually it’s important.

[00:31:33] Tony Winyard: So you mentioned about how that doctor, when they first diagnosed you with that, um, and then what they went on to say, ha, have you seen that doctor again in recent years and, and how different you are now to how you were then?

[00:31:47] Gina Dallison: No, I haven’t actually, because it was quite interesting. She, she gave me the diagnosis, but then I was sort of transferred to another neurologist, so I’ve not, no, I’ve not, I’ve not seen her again. Uh, it’d be quite interesting to have a conversation with her actually. But it’s, um, I, I, I find though I am still seeing neurologists, that they’re all the ones that I’ve seen are quite closed to having conversations outside of pharmaceutical approaches.

[00:32:15] Tony Winyard: Right.

[00:32:16] Gina Dallison: So it’s, it is a shame that when we go and see our doctors and we’re, we’re given a diagnosis and they, you know, the choices are this drug, this drug, this drug, or this drug. At no point did they say, well, actually there’s, there’s all these other modalities. And the problem with going into the sort of the world of alternative medicine or holistic medicine that’s even more varied, it’s like, where do you even start?

So it would be so nice to have a neurologist that knows about the brain and knows about the, the conditions, but are also really open-minded to actually how you can treat yourself and. It’s, it’s just a shame that the, the patients’ desires aren’t really taken into account in my experience very much. So I would like to, it would like be nice to see that shift and change a little bit.

[00:33:11] Tony Winyard: So are you, are the majority of your clients, um, having autoimmune conditions?

[00:33:18] Gina Dallison: Um, interestingly, at the moment, no, not really. They have got some, they have got some conditions, but not, not autoimmune conditions. Um, why, what’s been attracting to me recently is more around helping people discover a purpose.

[00:33:33] Tony Winyard: Okay.

[00:33:33] Gina Dallison: what it is that they, they, you know, really have put on this planet for, and I like to think that we’re all here, we’ve all got some job to do

whether that’s something, yeah. Whether that’s something big and huge, or whether that’s something smaller and it’s just my job to be the best parent and grandparent I can be. Then that’s, yeah, that’s purpose. But then that’s one of the things that definitely affects your ability to heal. Because if you wake up every morning, you know a bit like the Stephen Hawkin thing as well.

He has a definite purpose. It didn’t matter that his body didn’t work, it didn’t stop him. It just like, I’ve, I’ve got my purpose. Nothing’s gonna stand in my way. The body’s just a vessel that we were sort of given through this lifetime, and he made it last a lot longer than it was ever suggested that it was gonna,

[00:34:26] Tony Winyard: Well, and I think that’s what happens with people when they retire. Cause then they, they don’t have any purpose anymore. And that’s why so many people don’t last very long after they retire.

[00:34:34] Gina Dallison: Well, no, this is it. And it’s such a shame that if they, if they’re so identified with their work and then their work stops, that your retirement really should be, that’s we all sort of, yeah, you go to work, you get a good job, eventually you get like a nice pension and you retire and you live the life that you always wanna live.

But then if people don’t know what life they wanted to live, what makes them happy? What shine, what makes them shine? And that can be a real challenge, like you say, and uh, a downward hill.

[00:35:05] Tony Winyard: Yeah. So if people wanna find out more about you and, and work with you, where would they go to?

[00:35:12] Gina Dallison: The best places at the moment will be Facebook. Um, so you’d just find me, Gina, Dallison, just come to my profile. I’ve got a Gina Dallison coaching page as well, but profiles probably best. And I’ve got the Facebook group, the Healing Vibrations Network, or LinkedIn. LinkedIn. I’m quite, um, quite active on there looking to work with, with organizations to help them support their long-term people with long term conditions because, Whether they’re telling their, their, their employer or not.

Chances are people, if they’re not got a long term condition, they might be caring for someone with a long term condition and that affects the way that they work.

[00:35:54] Tony Winyard: And your podcast, what is your podcast called?

[00:35:57] Gina Dallison: My podcast is called Healing Vibrations. Um, but it’s not quite out there yet. That’s, I’ve still got some work. I’ve got all the recordings I’ve recordings into.

[00:36:09] Tony Winyard: So that’ll be That’ll be out soon then.

[00:36:11] Gina Dallison: Yes, yes, definitely.

[00:36:16] Tony Winyard: So tell us about, um, a question I always ask everyone is a book that’s moved you for, for any reason? What, what, what comes to mind?

[00:36:24] Gina Dallison: I think, um, some of the books that I’ve really enjoyed, uh, obviously the, um, George Linx, uh, overcoming Multiple Sclerosis was the first book that I sort of read that made me think, oh, I can do something about this. So if you, particularly if it’s multiple sclerosis that you’re living with, I would definitely recommend having, looking at his work.

But on the spiritual side of things would be anything by, um, Esther and Jerry Hicks, particularly the astonishing power of your emotions and how your emotions and can guide you. So that’s been, uh, yeah, I really enjoy their work.

[00:37:02] Tony Winyard: Right. Well, and finally, is there a quotation that you really like?

[00:37:07] Gina Dallison: Yes to Henry Ford. If you, if you, yeah, if you think that you can or you think that you can’t, then you’re right. And it’s, yeah, you’re, so let’s, let’s start. Every time you hear yourself saying, I can’t just start playing with, well, what if I could, what

[00:37:22] Tony Winyard: it applies to almost anything. You can, you can, yeah, you can apply it to anything, can’t you?

[00:37:26] Gina Dallison: Yeah. Yeah, you can. And it, and it’s interesting because even the things like, you know, I can’t sing, like, well actually, yeah I can. And even like, you know, I can’t walk and it’s like, we might not be able to physically walk right now, you know what it is to walk and actually. Walk. What is walking anyway?

Walking, moving your legs. Can I move my legs share? I can move my legs. Can I imagine myself walking? Yeah. So again, don’t allow yourself to say I can’t. Cause it might be your current reality, but it doesn’t have to be your forever reality. And if you keep regurgitating, I can’t. I can’t. Then it will continue being your current reality.

So shift it up to something that feels right. So I might not be able to walk right now, but my legs are getting stronger. I’m working my legs. So yeah, talking yourself into the reality that you want.

[00:38:15] Tony Winyard: Well, I remember one person, I can’t remember who it was, they said the, the way to reframe it is I can’t do so and so yet

[00:38:23] Gina Dallison: Yes. Yeah. Just adding a yet on, on it. Exactly. And uh, yeah, that’s a nice one. Thank you.

[00:38:29] Tony Winyard: Well, Gina, thank you for, again, for coming on again and, um, yeah, for giving, for helping people who do have, you know, autoimmune conditions and MS. And fibromyalgia and so on, and giving them some hope. And yeah, maybe some of them will get in touch with you as well.

[00:38:43] Gina Dallison: Yeah, absolutely. And, and, and there’s always hope and it doesn’t, you know, you might not be ready to see it as a gift right now, but. Maybe just play with the idea what happens if it is a gift, what happens if there’s something in all wrapped up in this horrible, yucky wrapping paper that I’m missing. That is, that is a good thing.

And outta all this, you know, sadness and pain comes something really beautiful and I like to think that there is something there for all of us.

[00:39:13] Tony Winyard: Thank you.

Next week is episode 230 with Corina. Bellizzi. And she pioneered the growth of Nordic naturals to over over a hundred million dollars in annual sales. And given her concern for health of people and the planet. She shifted her focus from fish sourced Omegas to algae in 2016. And today, she leads a company called Örlö Nutrition. a new algae brand that features the world’s most bioactive omega threes from sustainably grown algae. So we’re going to find out a lot more about Örlö Nutrition. About the process of omega 3s from algae and how this all works. So that’s next week’s episode with Corinna Bellizzi. Hope you enjoyed this week’s show with Gina Dallison.

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