Jo Uff

Tony Winyard 0:00

Habits and health Episode 28.

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Welcome to the habits and health Podcast, where we believe creating healthy habits should be easy. Brought to you by an educator and coach for anyone who wants to create a healthier life. Here's your host Tony Winyard.

Tony Winyard 0:21

Welcome to the habits and health podcast. I'm delighted to be chatting today with Joe Uff who is an NLP master practitioner and coach. She is passionate about the importance of psychological well being and dedicates her time to working with women, empowering them to strengthen positive mindsets and well being. And through coaching Joe helps them to work towards the outcomes they want to achieve, and overcome challenges they face in in all aspects of their personal and professional life. And our conversation today focuses on a positive mindset and a few other areas as well. So we're gonna hear more from Joe in just a minute. And if you know anyone who you feel will get some value from this episode, please do share the episode with them right now time for this week's show.

Habits and health and my guest today is Jo Uff and I just realised I didn't check with you. I always check for my guests How to pronounce their surname. I didn't check with you. So did I did I say that right?

Jo Uff 1:25

Completely? Right? Totally, absolutely. spot on, which is very unusual for people.

Tony Winyard 1:31

How else could it be pronounced?

Jo Uff 1:34

Oof, Uf it's people just you know, I, I've gotten to the stage where every time I say my surname, I follow it by u f. f. You know, it's kind of a habit that I've got into that. That's how I that's how I tell people what my surname is,

Tony Winyard 1:51

Where does the name originate from?

Jo Uff 1:54

So I blame it on my husband, which is where I've got the surname in the first race, but it's it's from Suffolk it's a sort of a name that goes back years and years and years. It's Suffolk based.

Tony Winyard 2:06

So would that be like a Viking origin? And I guess,

Jo Uff 2:09

I guess so. Yeah, I guess so. I don't know exactly. But yeah, he did apologise for making me take that name.

Tony Winyard 2:19

So tell the listeners about what is it that you do.

Jo Uff 2:22

So I am a wellbeing coach. I coach people in their personal life and also their professional life. And my focus is all around positive mindset and strengthening positive mindset. And looking at aspects of the mindset that are disempowering or unresolvable. And actually working with them to change the beliefs, the behaviours, the habits, the values that really no longer serve them and are getting in the way of them being doing and having more of what they want in their life.

Tony Winyard 3:04

Well, there's loads to explore in that. So I'm gonna start so how did you get into that in the first place? What was it? What was the path that led you into that?

Jo Uff 3:15

So it was actually my own personal situation that got me into it. So I guess a number of years ago, I found myself in a situation where everything felt pretty pointless. So a few times quite negative. I didn't find any joy in life, it was like life was happening to me and finding NLP so neuro linguistic programming, which I can explain a little bit about, but that helped me to create, you know, sort of habits that completely transformed my life. And I guess, even you know, things like setting really good clear positive outcomes and stopping that mind reading that will do so we make assumptions about what we think people think about us or what we think is going to happen or why a particular thing happened. And, and switching that to be far more positive and thinking well, I my mind reading or is that actually true? So I saw I came into being a wellbeing coach, through my own personal experience. I done quite a lot of business coaching and still do a lot of business coaching. But this element of my coaching was was just something that I just found so fascinating, completely transformed my life. And I wanted to help other people do the same.

Tony Winyard 4:55

So well, you mentioned NLP there and he mentioned it, it's probably worth it. A term that I think a lot of people have heard but aren't so sure exactly what it is. You want to tell us more about NLP?

Jo Uff 5:06

Yeah, I mean, it's a type of performance psychology, it's used in lots of different types of coaching. And it really the tools and techniques work with the conscious and the subconscious mind to reprogram and heal. So it can be about resolving, resolving unwarranted negative emotions, it can be removing, or upgrading beliefs that you have. And it's amazing in terms of shifting behaviours and shifting habits that that you've got. So it really is about reprogramming the brain. And getting the things out of the way, some of which have probably been with you since early childhood, because that's where a lot of our sort of identity level beliefs and behaviours come from, and upgrading them so that you can get on with your life and have a more empowering life.

Tony Winyard 6:10

So, how long ago was it that you first did NLP?

Jo Uff 6:15

Oh, gosh, three years ago, now, three years ago,

Tony Winyard 6:21

How would you say things have changed since since then?

Jo Uff 6:26

For me as an individual, just completely entirely, my sort of whole life has changed in terms of my outlook on life, what I'm doing, I probably never would have had the confidence to be a personal coach. Without it, so my whole life has, has transformed as a result of it is a very, very powerful method of coaching.

Tony Winyard 6:57

And what how would you say because we, I'm wondering how you use it with your people you're working with your clients you're working with, how has it helped you to help them.

Jo Uff 7:08

So, um, I think the difference between coaching with NLP and some other forms of coaching, so counselling, and talking therapy and things like that, they're, they're very good at helping you to surface things, think things through maybe, you know, work them through a conscious level, whatever now p does that is completely different is that it identifies those things, and it goes in and alters and changes them and upgrades them. So a lot of people come away from different types of therapy, saying, well, that's great. I understand now why I feel like I do. But what do I do about it? And the difference is that NLP actually enables the tools and techniques with NLP enable you to actually do something about it to get a good shift.

Tony Winyard 8:07

And so what is there? Do you have like a typical type of client who is that you work with?

Jo Uff 8:12

I tend to work mostly with women with moms, people that are ready to move forward in their life. But they don't really know how, or they've got specific challenges or obstacles or blocks. Some people that are suffering from PTSD, for whatever reason, a whole range of different scenarios, I guess. But it tends to be mostly women, and quite a lot of those women are moms.

Tony Winyard 8:47

So without sort of giving any names. Can you give us an example of a challenge maybe that one of your clients have that you are able to help them resolve and they're in a better place now?

Jo Uff 8:57

Sure, yeah. So there is an I talked about PTSD a minute ago, and there is a an amazing woman who had been suffering from PTSD for a number of years. And it was pretty all consuming was something that she couldn't even allow to sort of enter her thought process without the whole sort of reaction, physical, psychological and physiological reaction to it. And in a short number of sessions, I think it was only two sessions actually, for this particular lady. Her PTSD has completely gone. And when I last spoke to her, she said that she had been able to very, very unemotionally she'd been able to chat with someone about the situation and what had occurred. her memories of the situation. And was she was amazed that she never thought that she would ever be able to do that. So that's a, that's a really good example of how it can be so life changing?

Tony Winyard 10:15

And so do I'm guessing is no, this is a bit like asking to how long is a piece of string, but we've all your different clients, I'm guessing, with some you only need maybe a few sessions and others could take many, many months, even years?

Jo Uff 10:29

Absolutely, absolutely. It's all down to it's all down to how much that person has to deal with and wants to deal with at a particular time. We always start by setting outcomes, you know, what is it you Where is that you want to be in 12 months time, what do you want life to be like, and then we start looking at what's getting in the way of you being able to achieve that outcome. Yeah, and for some people, that might be one very specific thing, or two or three sessions would be enough to to help them. Other people have got a lot more going on from in there in terms of experiences and background, I'm really want to try and get as much resolved as possible. I would say though, any more than three months from an NLP coaching perspective is unnecessary. You hear of you know, other as I say other coaching methods, where some people are there for years and years and years. But with NLP, it's kind of a go in, do it fast help people to get a significant shift and help them to sort of move forward in their life,

Tony Winyard 11:47

I guess it's also a situation where initially they start off with what I want to work on x, and then you help them resolve x and then uncover some other things in a different area of their life. And, and that can lead on to something else and

Jo Uff 12:02

completely, and it's one of those things that the more you, the more you get in tune with yourself, and start recognising some identity level beliefs that you have about yourself that getting in the way, or behaviours that are getting in the way or emotion emotions that are surfacing unnecessarily, the more you become in tune with those things, the more there is to work on. And I know when I was doing my training, to be able to coach this form of this type of coaching, I have a massive, long list of Oh, there's another thing to work on for myself. So you do, and there will always be new experiences that come up, there will always be new situations. And actually, your subconscious has a very interesting way of surfacing things to your conscious mind at the point that it's ready for them to be dealt with. So there might be something that really you haven't thought about for years and years and years. And then it will pop up. And you think like that actually getting in the way, and I need to deal with it now. And that will continue throughout your life. So it's not ever a case of what we'll do so many coaching sessions, and you'll be off you go forever. It is a continuous process.

Tony Winyard 13:36

You mentioned before, I think you're saying, you know, before you do make some sort of sort of life business coaching type stuff, and now it's more kind of wellness, but they're so interconnected. So I'm, I'm guessing often when you help someone with various wellness issues, that actually helps them in their life and their business? And so,

Jo Uff 13:55

absolutely, absolutely. And certainly when it's around mindset, it's, it's very well, it's almost impossible to kind of, to limit it to only think about this when I'm at home, and I only think about this when I'm working or or working on my business. So there's definitely a bleed into, you know, one end to the other. And sometimes the the you know, it could be an example, let me give you an example. So someone who really lacks self confidence and suffers from self confidence is not really ever going to be able to reach their full potential in their career. Because they're, they're getting in the way of themselves, their lack of self confidence will stop them from going for new jobs or going for, you know, a different role or whatever it might be. So yes, there's definitely a significant overlap.

Tony Winyard 14:51

When it comes to mindset, what are the sort of most frequent issues you come up that you find in your clients with mindset, what are the problem I'm saying,

Jo Uff 15:02

Oh gosh, is there a most frequent? Because I just I support women quite a lot, I find there are, this might be the same for men, I'm generalising now. But there are a huge number of women that suffer from a lack of self worth. There are also a huge number of women who are completely overwhelmed. And because they're completely overwhelmed, their stress levels are very high. And they start to believe that they're no good. You know, I'm not a good mom, I'm not a good partner, I'm not a good employee. So they then you know, they kind of, it kind of almost escalates in terms of that initial feeling of overwhelm starts to become an identity level belief that they have about themselves as an individual. And certainly over the, you know, over the pandemic, seeing that even more with mums trying to work at home, trying to home school, trying to run the house, trying to deal with parents, whatever they're doing, I've seen an awful lot more people that are just feeling like they're just a complete failure in life.

Tony Winyard 16:26

You taught them about identity. And you also early you refer to habits, and there's less is such a close relation between those isn't?

Jo Uff 16:35

Yeah, absolutely. So I think a lot of our habits, out of our habits are driven by our emotional core emotional needs. And our core core emotional needs are linked to our identity. So I'll just explain a bit about core emotional needs, actually. So we have these three core emotional needs, everyone has them, they're linked to our sense of survival. And they are the need for love, certainty and significance. And they are so important, that actually, if we don't meet those needs, our brain starts to believe that our survival is at stake. And therefore we go into a bit of a state of despair, and will actually do whatever needs to be done good habit, or bad habit, in this case, to meet those emotional needs. So the habits that we have a quite often driven by meeting a core emotional need that we have.

Tony Winyard 17:50

And what I'm just so for examples with the people you've been working with, what are some of the maybe surprises that some of your clients have had by they've, they've, you've managed to out them with a particular habit, whatever it might be, which has helped them maybe see themselves in a different way and identify themselves in a different way that has really surprised them? Is there anything along those lines you can think of?

Jo Uff 18:17

I think there are people who either either have wanted to create new habits, or have wanted to break existing habits, but never ever believe that it would be possible to do it, right. So they've gotten to the stage where they've accepted that they're either not going to be asked to do something ever. And that might be, you know, a fitness habit or something like that, I'm just never going to be able to do it. So I'm just going to give up trying, or they've wanted to break a habit that they've had for a long, long time and just accepted that they're not going to be able to break it. And they are very often very surprised by the fact that in quite a short period of time, they have been able to make a shift.

Tony Winyard 19:10

And I guess sometimes it's a case of often just reframing something because sometimes someone can have a real negative perspective on fitness or nutrition or whatever it might be. And just by looking at it in a different way, it can see much easier than they initially thought it was going to be.

Jo Uff 19:29

Yeah, completely, I mean, negative associations that we have with things will absolutely prevent us from doing them. And it links back to that bit that I was talking about in terms of core emotional needs. If you've got a negative association with something, it's not gonna meet your one of your core emotional needs, or you'd need a huge amount of willpower to do something that doesn't meet one of your core And continue doing it. That's why New Year's resolutions don't work very often. Because when we I don't know, we might have one about, you know, getting fitter or something like that. And when we start that journey of getting fitter, is really hard. It's painful, it takes us away from doing other things that we want to do. And it's not meeting our core needs. And so that's why so many people give up, because willpower isn't often strong enough to get through to the stage where you do feel better. And therefore it does start to meet one of your core needs, because you feel really good about yourself.

Tony Winyard 20:43

And along that news resolutions. One of the things I would say, I mean, I've got no evidence to back this up. But in the last 10 years, meditation is more and more in the news. And we kind of briefly spoke about meditation before we started recording, but I get the impression that more and more people are, are said in a new year's resolution, why I want to meditate on a more frequent basis. And then they give up for a variety of reasons. Is this something you'd come across? Have you had clients who have really wanted to meditate, but I've just struggled for whatever reason?

Jo Uff 21:18

Yeah, meditation, positive affirmations, gratitude lists. A lot of people can see the benefit of doing those things, but can't create a habit of doing those things.

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Jo Uff 21:36

what I, what I help them work on is it's not the thing itself. It's what outcome Are you trying to achieve from doing that thing, and focus on the outcome make it a really clear and positive outcome, because that helps your brain to think about it in a positive way. And then you're kind of almost setting up future memory of how life will be when you've achieved this outcome by doing this thing. And if that's meditation, or positive affirmations, or gratitude, or whatever it is, you're actually giving it a real purpose rather than just another thing to do.

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Tony Winyard 22:49

It seems to me there's also an aspect of people. I think they maybe have unrealistic expectations. And they expect just by starting meditation that everything's gonna be rosy in light, because we've been a few days or whatever the case might be. And it's slightly unrealistic.

Jo Uff 23:08

Absolutely. I mean, I would say with anything like meditation or the other things I've described around positive affirmations, gratitude, anything like that. Even just creating more positive emotions you need, it needs consistent work for at least six weeks before it starts to change the way you feel.

Tony Winyard 23:38

And what would you say to people who think they're doing it wrong?

Jo Uff 23:43

That they're probably not that absolutely. I mean, I would always check in with them, I guess in terms of, well, how are you doing it? And, and the likelihood is they're not doing anything wrong. They've just not been doing it for long enough. And may or may be the you know, that if they're wanting to give up, that's because they're not clear about why they're doing it in the first place.

Tony Winyard 24:09

We talked before about hypnotherapy and if you use hypnotherapy for some clients, is that right?

Jo Uff 24:16

I do. Yeah, no, it's a different it's not necessarily about the sort of giving up smoking kind of hypnotherapy. It's more about helping them to with some people take a you know, serious trauma as an example. It's quite difficult in our conscious state to address some of those and to release some of those. But by taking someone into a hypnotic state, it allows their subconscious mind to work things through more easily without the significant emotion that would be attached to

Tony Winyard 24:56

it. And so what kind of things might you use something hypnotherapy for,

Jo Uff 25:02

oh my goodness, anything that anything that you do in NLP can be done in in hypnosis. So we might have taken an example you might have someone that has a identity, an identity level belief about themselves. And you would there is a particular technique that we use in NLP to help them to upgrade that belief. And you can do that by taking them into hypnosis. You can also even just setting outcomes. So getting really clear on your your future and visualising that as if it's happened, and you're there. When you're in a conscious state, there's probably 101 other things sort of floating around in your mind about what am I going to do for the rest of the day? And what am I having for tea tonight? And, you know, what's my daughter doing right now? And whatever it might be, take someone into hypnosis. And it removes all that. It removes all that clutter in the mind that's going on, and allows the subconscious to do what it needs to do.

Tony Winyard 26:14

And do you find that there some people are just very unable to get themselves while they just more resistant maybe to hypnosis or something, I don't know.

Jo Uff 26:26

It would definitely be a resistance rather than I'm unable to. Actually though, hypnosis is no different to that first stage, just before you go to sleep. So you're not taking them into some kind of weird state. You're just taking them down a few levels in terms of brain activity. And so yeah, it's, you know, the worst thing that would happen in hypnosis is you would fall asleep in terms of, you know, and then you wake up again, so, so yeah, it would definitely be a resistance. And that resistance might be a concern about, well, what is it going to be like, or what's going to happen, or it's so and, you know, with clients, it's all about just addressing those concerns, to reassure them, that the worst that will happen is you'll fall asleep.

Tony Winyard 27:27

I mean, this is, again, something we touched upon before we started recording. And so the hypnosis, and meditation and so on, it all takes us into brain space.

Jo Uff 27:37

Yeah, so. So when we're active and alert, we're using our sort of beta, beta brain. And if we go back many, many years ago, caveman sort of era, and the beta brain was only really used for very short amounts of time, when someone needed to be ready to take action, Be alert, and we find ourselves now most people I'm sure are in that state all the time, or virtually all of the time, and our brains and our bodies are not designed to do that. That we, you know, our bodies get flooded with adrenalin, we're just always, you know, kind of ready for something to happen. It's not so good for us, either physically or emotionally. So actually, you know, consciously allowing yourself to come out of that through meditation or through hypnosis or through a good bit could be anything that people find to help them to just come out of that state is essential. It's essential to our physical well being and our emotional well being.

Tony Winyard 28:53

And I don't know if thought I've got my mind at moment. I don't know if this is something you've had experience with or not. But there's a lot of talk now about many people. Well, I guess most of us have memories from the past, which just have no relevant no truth to them whatsoever. But we we have things that we're convinced are true, but there isn't any truth to them at all. Is that anything that you come across?

Jo Uff 29:18

Yeah, all the time. I mean, the whole thing, if you were to ask 10 people who are all eyewitnesses to something that happened yesterday, literally yesterday, everyone would have seen something different heard something different version of what happened would be would be completely different. Some people be convinced that yes, that was there that was there. When it wasn't at all. Some people would have not seen something that did happen. And that's, you know, our, the way we we get bombarded with about 2 million bits of information. Every Second of that we take in about 200. So therefore everything else is deleted, and then of what we do take in, we generalise that information to fit with our beliefs. And we actually distort that information to fit with how we expect the world to be. So if that's what it's like, for something that was yesterday, you imagine going back? Well, for me a very long time ago to what happened when I was five or 10, or whatever, our version and our memory, our version of what happened at the time probably wasn't correct. And then our memory of what's happened is even more distorted.

Tony Winyard 30:41

And so does that. How does that affect how you work with people? Does it affect you at all? What you

Jo Uff 30:49

know, because, you know, somewhat, it's about if a particular memory or a particular experience that people have had or person has had, many years ago, has created a belief or created an emotion or created a behaviour that is disempowering for them? Doesn't matter, actually, whether that memory is right, it doesn't. The focus is all about helping them to upgrade that belief or resolve the behaviour or resolve the emotion around whatever their version of memory is, it doesn't make any difference whether it was accurate or not.

Tony Winyard 31:39

So anyone who's listening to this now in this thinking, yeah, I've got various issues around whatever the topic might be. Well, well, as soon as this reframe now, what what kind of things do you think you're best able to help people with so someone's got an issue in their heads at the moment? What What do you think you're best at helping people with?

Jo Uff 32:05

that's a that's a tricky question. Because it's so broad. It's anything that is affecting them having an empowering mindset. So any belief that they've got around themselves about themselves, any behaviour that's getting in the way of them being doing and having what they want in life, and that might be a behaviour, that they're something that they're doing that they would rather not be doing, or actually a behaviour, such as a fear of failure, or a lack of courage, or a lack of resilience, that stopping them from achieving what they want to, or anyone that has a really clear outcome knows what they want to achieve. That cup just can't get there. And they can't work out what it is that's blocking them what obstacle what challenge. And therefore I would work with them to help them to surface what that is and resolve it. So it doesn't really answer your question, I'm afraid, Tony. But it's so broad. Yeah. Anything that's mindset related.

Tony Winyard 33:22

And I'm guessing one of the biggest mindset issues with many people. And I think it used to be mostly women, but now a lot of men suffer from this as well. Is it imposter syndrome?

Jo Uff 33:35

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's when is that? When is someone going to find out that I really no good at this? Yeah, absolutely. And that is normally linked to a belief that they have about themselves in terms of their capability. Or it could be a lack of self confidence. It could be a number of number of different reasons why that imposter syndrome is there. But it is definitely, definitely a very common one. And I think, you know, I think even even people that have done a lot of work on themselves, it will still pop up every now and again, in terms of they're going to find me out this time, they're really going to find me out. It's there. And once you've kind of got the big stuff out the way that might be causing it. It's then about having some helpful tools and techniques that will help you to stop it, stop it bubbling up. And one of the things that's really helpful if you're going into a particular event or a particular social setting, or meeting or interview or whatever it is and that imposter syndrome is just Starting to just surface, doing a visual rehearsal before you go into the event, and really seeing that event whole event, start to end play out exactly as you want it to getting the result you want being the version of you that you want to be a bit like I talked around outcomes at the start, that visual rehearsal can create a future memory and ensure that you spot the things that are going to help you to achieve that successful result in that meeting, event or interview or whatever it might be. And that can really help with imposter syndrome.

Tony Winyard 35:42

Coming back to health and wellness, a lot of people are quite reactive when it comes to health and wellness. And they just leave they have, like 100% faith in a GP? And whatever the GP says is that it's like, yes, as if it's been said by a sermon from God Almighty kind of thing, and they don't question it at all. And that can lead to not great outcomes. In some cases, it seemed. Do you find people who come to you or maybe more reacts, more proactive in taking an approach to their health?

Jo Uff 36:25

I think, yeah, I think there are two, two scenarios there. I think there's a scenario where they've tried that. I believe in everything my doctor tells me, and whatever they want to prescribe to me, I'm sure it's gonna help, they've tried that. And whilst it might either work short term, or it might kind of put a sticking plaster on the situation, they found that it hasn't actually helped them in the long term. So I do get people coming to me with in that scenario, and then yes, you've got the people who don't want to just take, you know, what their doctor says for granted, they don't want to take that approach, and they want to try and find a different way of, of dealing with whatever it is that they're struggling with at the time.

Tony Winyard 37:15

By actually taking responsibility, I guess, is what I'm trying to think of for your own health. It can lead to you being more you're more in control of, of what happens to you is can you see any downsides to that?

Jo Uff 37:38

Off the top of my head? No, I mean, I, I would, there are some situations where getting the support from a doctor or you know, anyone in the medical profession is essential and necessary. That's not necessarily not taking responsibility, that's about looking at the situation, and maybe taking a rounded view on, there might be a number of things that I can do to help me from a health and wellness perspective. And I'm going to take responsibility of doing as many of these that I think will help me as possible. And one of them might be, you know, support from a GP and one of them might be having some coaching and another one might be getting more exercise. And, you know, I That to me is what taking responsibility is it's it's doing whatever I can within my control to get the best outcome.

Tony Winyard 38:44

Yeah, that was a good response. Because it wasn't a great question. I was I was it was I had something in my mind. And it just went and it wouldn't come but it was a good response. So changing the subject slightly and before and we wonder one of the questions I often ask us is, is there a book that's particularly moved you in the last few weeks months years? Is there anything that comes to mind that a book you really enjoy?

Jo Uff 39:10

So there's a book not necessarily that's moved me but which is just super fantastic and really helpful from a mindset perspective, very easy to to read, to pick up to just take snippets out of and it's called a toolkit for modern life. And it's by Dr. Emma Hepburn. And it is a fantastic book. I would advocate everyone to read it and I think it says here Yeah, a mandatory read for anyone with a brain so so yeah, it's it's a super book and super easy to dip in and out of as well.

Tony Winyard 39:51

So if people want to find out more about you, Joe, where's where's the best place to look? Right? So social media and your website and so on.

Jo Uff 39:58

So yes, I am on social Media, I also have my own website. And fortunately for me, there aren't too many people with a surname off. So if you put Joe off into Google, then I pop up and it's only ever meet that pops up. So yeah, there's my, my website is there. And also social media links would be there, too.

Tony Winyard 40:24

And finally, is there. Is there a quotation that you particularly like?

Jo Uff 40:28

Yeah, so there's one by Denis Waitley. He's, he's an American born author. Psychology of winning, he did. He did some, some books about that. And he's a motivational speaker. And one of the quotes that just sticks with me, and I use quite a lot is, it's not who you are, that holds you back. It's who you think you are not. And we, the only limitations that we have are the ones that we place on ourselves. And we limit ourselves because of what we believe we're capable of or not capable of. It's so often untrue. But it's our own selves that get in the way of us being doing and having more of what we want in our lives.

Tony Winyard 41:24

Yeah, absolutely. Jo, thank you for your time. And yeah, really appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us.

Jo Uff 41:30

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Tony Winyard 41:34

Next week, Episode 29 is with Devin Burke, and he's a professional speaker, best selling author, coach, workshop facilitator, and the founder, the founder of the empowerment wellness solutions, which is a company focused on empowering individuals and organisations to increase their capacity and performance. So we talk a lot about sleep science, and various areas around that in next week's episode with Devin Burke. So Episode 29. If you enjoyed this week's show with Joe Uff, please do share it with anyone who you feel could get some, maybe some more value from some of the content that Jo shared with us. Hope you have a great week and see you next week.

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