Silke Maria Haas

Habits & Health episode 50 - Silke Maria Haas

Habits & Health episode 50 with Silke Maria Haas who is an energetic Coach and a healer with over 25 years of experience helping people with physical, emotional, mental and spiritual problems. She went to India at the age of 18 and discovered Yoga as a way of life. Realising that many of her yoga students had medical problems she trained as an Osteopath and Naturopath in the U.K. In order to help people by “fixing” the physical manifestations of their problems in the body helping to enable people to heal and empower themselves through a unique system of energetic Coaching called “crazy healing”



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Tony Winyard 0:00

Habits and health episode 50.

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Welcome to the habits and health podcast, where we believe creating healthy habits should be easy. Brought to you by an educator and coach for anyone who wants to create a healthier life. Here's your host, Tony Winyard.

Tony Winyard 0:19

Welcome to another edition of habits and health, my guest today Silke Maria Haas, she's an energetic coach and healer who has over 25 years of experience helping people with physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual problems. And she went to India at the age of 18, where she discovered yoga as a way of life. And so we find that a lot more about what happened, and how she's worked on that sense and what she does now. So that's this week's episode with silk mania house. If you know anyone who would enjoy this week's episode, please do share it with them. habits and health my guest today, let me see if I can pronounce this right is Silke Maria Haas did I get it right? Fantastic. How are you?

Silke Maria Haas 1:06

I'm very well, thank you. And thank you for having me on your show.

Tony Winyard 1:09

No, it's a pleasure and you're in a much warmer part of the world than I am at the moment.

Silke Maria Haas 1:15

That's true. I'm in Majorca, Spain, and it's beautifully sunny for a change, because we've had weeks of rain.

Tony Winyard 1:21

Yeah, yeah. But when it rains there, it's still quite nice, though, isn't it? Yes. It's not like when it rains in England. I mean, you know what it's like when it rains in England.

Silke Maria Haas 1:30

That's right. I lived in England for eight years. So I know.

Tony Winyard 1:34

Cool. And you've been in Spain quite a while you said, Yeah.

Silke Maria Haas 1:37

for over 20 years. I've lived in Spain, in New York.

Tony Winyard 1:41

What was it that took you out to Spain?

Silke Maria Haas 1:44

It was when my daughter was born. And I was living in London. And I thought bringing up a child in a big city wasn't the right thing to do. So moving out of London was, you know, a fresh start. And I had a distant family member that lived there that invited us over.

Tony Winyard 2:03

Okay. And you're originally from Germany?

Silke Maria Haas 2:07

That's right. Yes. You're quite

Tony Winyard 2:08

a world traveller. Yes. So, how many languages do you speak?

Silke Maria Haas 2:14

I'm fluent in German, English and Spanish. And, yeah, there's other languages, but I don't speak them fluidly.

Tony Winyard 2:23

Cool. Okay, let's let's test and talk about your I mean, you're very much into health fine. You and that was it, because you mentioned that you studied in England?

Silke Maria Haas 2:32

That's right. Yeah. I started to become an osteopath and naturopath in 1990.

Tony Winyard 2:38

Okay. And what was the influence? What made you want to do that?

Silke Maria Haas 2:43

I actually originally trained as a yoga teacher at the early age of 18 When I went to India, okay. And then coming back from India, I realised that a lot of my students had medical problems that I didn't know enough. So I was looking for something medical to backup, my yoga teaching and then I stuck with with the clinic and the practice and one to one work.

Tony Winyard 3:07

And why did you go to I mean, we were there many places around the world offering that sort of training. What Why did you go to London?

Silke Maria Haas 3:14

Ah, well, there was a there was a side interest, a side hustle, I wanted to study dance. And there was a particular course I was interested in London. But also I was I was too young to do the German degree in naturopathic or the health practical then. So that was the obvious choice.

Tony Winyard 3:35

And for anyone who doesn't really understand what is osteopathy and natural profit work? Could you give a definition? How what is it to the average person?

Silke Maria Haas 3:46

Oh, I love that question. It's really looking at the body as as a whole, looking at the body as a self healing mechanism. And osteopathy is very much to do with looking at the relationship between structure and function. So by adjusting or manipulating or helping the skeleton to be in a better place that could improve the function of the organs the movement and the well being of the person on all levels.

Tony Winyard 4:18

And I'm wondering so when you have to when you were deciding to do that course after you've been doing yoga in India? Would I be right in thinking what how you thought that would help you before you started it? You had very different thoughts after you completed that course and what you learned during that time?

Silke Maria Haas 4:38

Absolutely. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. But it's like that with many things in life.

Tony Winyard 4:45

Yeah, so what what did change and what what were you after you qualified? What were your thoughts? What did you think you were going to do or?

Silke Maria Haas 4:53

Well, at that time, it was obvious I was just gonna get my hands dirty and just work with client get as much experience as I could. And what I didn't know, it would then lead me on to more helping people to heal and empower themselves, which is what I'm doing now as a coach, as well as sort of repairing and doing the one to one work. But I very much love reaching more people and giving people the means to help themselves.

Tony Winyard 5:24

And is the a certain type of person you work with, like a age group, or any sort of particular demographic?

Silke Maria Haas 5:31

Well, in, in my practice, I have literally from newborn till 95 year olds. In my coaching, I like to focus on parents, because having children gives a big way. And since children are sort of my teachers in terms of being lightness, joy, and being beings of presence, you know, parents are obviously in a much better place to understand what I'm talking about. But really, it's about anybody who's conscious and sensitive and really wants to empower themselves.

Tony Winyard 6:08

And when people initially come to you, what is, is there a common theme that they have they come to see you in the first place? Why? Why do people seek you out? Usually,

Silke Maria Haas 6:22

usually, they have some sort of problem, they have a pain on a physical level, or an emotional relationship problem, or they're struggling with some issues in their life. Yeah, it's, it's quite often as in life, pain driven, and very few Joy driven, they just want to learn and to grow. And to be more aware. I love those too.

Tony Winyard 6:45

And so how, once you start working with them, I'm guessing that they're, they initially comes to you just because they've got some pain, and I probably learned far more than just simply dealing with that pain, I'm guessing.

Silke Maria Haas 6:57

That's right, they start to understand that the pain is somehow their manifestation of their problems in their lives. And it's, that's really the trick to make them understand that until that problem is solved, whatever I'm doing is just a remedial thing. And they're much better off getting out of that victim place and getting into that power.

Tony Winyard 7:20

And so when you say you work with parents, and and the children at the same time, did you say?

Silke Maria Haas 7:26

That's right? I mean, a lot of people bring the babies to me after birth, because that's one of the common issues that I treat. That baby is not sleeping or feeding well growing well, and it has some sort of blockage. And that's quite easy to solve with gentle osteopathic treatment. Okay, but then you have the whole stress of the parents, and not knowing how to deal with different situations in their lives shows up issues and the relationships. Yeah.

Tony Winyard 7:57

And what, what aspect of your work? Do you enjoy it the most?

Silke Maria Haas 8:07

The thing I enjoy most is when I when somebody comes back to me, and they've really applied some of the tools that I've shared with them, and it's worked for them. And I can see them flourishing in in various areas of their life being happier, healthier, and more abundant. That's really, that's the biggest gift anybody can have. I think,

Tony Winyard 8:29

is it something you can do both online and face to face? Or does it have to be face to face?

Silke Maria Haas 8:35

No, no, it can actually be done online, because energy doesn't need a person to be there physically. That is if I work energetically, or with coaching when I work with a physical issue. I prefer people in front of me.

Tony Winyard 8:50

So what would you say is the of your clients? What percentage would be face to face and online?

Silke Maria Haas 8:59

And it's changing. It used to be like 90%, face to face and 10% online and and I'm just working on the transition. So it varies from week to week.

Tony Winyard 9:10

Right? And I guess with the whole sort of pandemic thing over the last couple of years has been far more online than face to face.

Silke Maria Haas 9:17

Yes. Although we've been very lucky here in Spain that we've been allowed to work and had less restrictions than anywhere else. But that's also part of part of the problem that people when when they are confined to their homes, they need the remedies to work with themselves.

Tony Winyard 9:36

And so what is it the the issues that people are having around pain and so on when it comes to in the first place? Is there a common denominator in what's causing a plain pain in first place often?

Silke Maria Haas 9:49

Yes. On the physical level, I would say civilization chairs sitting far too much And moving far too little, and not having the proper balance between rest and movement. That is a very common cause for skeletal problems, at least, as well as stress, of course.

Tony Winyard 10:16

And how easy or difficult is that to remedy?

Silke Maria Haas 10:20

It's actually very easy to remedy, all they have to do is take sitting breaks get up every half an hour, do two minutes of exercise.

Tony Winyard 10:28

And do they need to sort of be changing their furniture or anything along those lines? Well,

Silke Maria Haas 10:34

ideally throw out the furniture sits on the floor. Of course, there's better and worse chairs. And there is these, you know, cheap versions of just a ball that you can sit on at the height of your sitting bones sort of 60s 60 or 70 centimetres, they can usually be bought for 1015 years. And that gives you a moving balance. And and it's just a nice change for your back.

Tony Winyard 11:07

And do people think of some of these things as being extreme because they're so used to what is normal for them for their whole lives is today think about dude, do some of your clients fitness is a bit extra extreme, maybe?

Silke Maria Haas 11:20

Possible, they don't say that. I mean, I make them look into other countries and like where people sit a lot more on the floor, and they work really hard physically. And yet, there's a lot less back pain and joint problems just because people sit on the floor and they bear down to go to the toilet and a squat and, and they do simple things. Even the Muslim prayer position is a great back exercise. As most people know from yoga.

Tony Winyard 11:47

Yeah. So are you still instructing yoga as well?

Silke Maria Haas 11:51

No, but I use some exercises from yoga to instruct clients on a one to one, right.

Tony Winyard 12:00

And in your, in the coaching you're doing you do so I'm thinking well, um, sort of people you've worked with previously, and you've helped them with issues around pain and it sounds like often it's around their backhoe and whatever. So and you've given them information about how to, to not only to resolve it, but I'm presuming do many of them need to come back to you. Or once you've sort of given them information now you're able then to, to carry that on for for many years. And they don't, it doesn't come back again

Silke Maria Haas 12:34

on what it depends on the chronicity of the problem on the type of problem a lot of people can just do with with maintenance. The pain can usually be resolved if they resolve the cause of the pain. And then they can maintain themselves with exercises. But it's like I said, it's a bit like going to the dentist, although I don't like the comparison. It's like I can brush my teeth every day. But I would go for a dental cleanse every six months and a checkup just for the bits that I can't get to.

Tony Winyard 13:09

Right. So what would you say you're in what you do? What is your what is your main message that you're trying to put out?

Silke Maria Haas 13:18

If I put it into one sentence, I would say you can heal and empower your life that you can actually be in charge of your life, you're the creator. And in the same way that you can create a problem, you can uncreate it and have a better life. Right? And problem can be like a stepping stone towards a better life. Like quite often a problematic situation then makes us turn around and change something and looking at it from the hindsight perspective. It often turns out to be for our better good,

Tony Winyard 13:55

right? And is it something that people think is going to be very difficult and is actually far easier?

Silke Maria Haas 14:01

Yes, a lot of people have this idea of personal growth as being hard work, that's part of the conditioning. And then when they actually realise that they can learn from joy, like children do, right? And by being lightness, and being more just being more rather than doing more, it's very much about coming more into presence coming more into your being and then the doing comes out of that being and it's not hard work anymore. It's hard to change habits you know that

Tony Winyard 14:35

right? And I'm wondering you you're talking before why I don't think you actually said these words but a lot of this comes down to I guess it's sedentary behaviour. Yes. Is there because your eyes it sounds like you're dealing with many nationalities, obviously Spanish you've been living in England and you're from Germany. Is there maybe this is controversial but is there a nationality you find farm more sedentary than others?

Silke Maria Haas 15:04

I haven't actually thought about this. No, it very much depends on the constitutional type. Right? And obviously the type of work somebody does, right? It's, I haven't found a cultural pattern.

Tony Winyard 15:21

Which profession? Is there a profession that you've had to deal with far more than any other?

Silke Maria Haas 15:28

I would say I get a lot more desk workers than I get physical labourers. Right. And, but that could also depend on the level of education. Right? So I wouldn't, I would dare to say that's to do with it. But I do think not moving is more harmful than moving.

Tony Winyard 15:47

And there's a lot of talk about a few years ago, many people thought the solution was way too, we're sitting too much. Therefore, the solution is a standing desk, which is not really the solution is that it is for some people,

Silke Maria Haas 16:00

other people like me, I can't stand for any length of time. So I prefer to sit. Yeah, it's about creating a balance. And it's when when people working on the computer, really what happens that their consciousness is sort of in the computer, and we forget about the body. We kind of all in the head and the mind, and then we listen to the body when it shouts at us in pain. And then we take a painkiller and shut it up again. And then we're surprised then we create more and more physical problems, because at the end of the day, the body has a certain tolerance. But there comes a point when the compensation mechanisms don't work anymore.

Tony Winyard 16:47

So how do you try to Because changing people's behaviour is very difficult for not only if you're trying to change someone else's behaviour, but even when you're trying to change your own behaviour. It's very difficult, what how'd you go about them?

Silke Maria Haas 17:02

That's a great question. It can be difficult, you have to have a good reason why to change. And when the reason is good enough, you will do it. And once you've changed the habit like brushing your teeth, it was hard for parents for teachers to teach. But once you've gotten used to having a clean mouth, nobody needs to go after you for you to do it, it becomes it becomes natural, it becomes a habit. Right. So once you've installed a good habit, it actually doesn't take much to keep it up because you get the benefit from it.

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Tony Winyard 18:21

Sometimes people there are behaviours that we want to do, and we know they're going to be good for us. But even though we have that knowledge, we still got can't get ourselves to do that. You know, I mean, there's loads of people want to meditate. And they've realised the benefits of meditation, but they just for whatever excuse they come up with they don't meditate.

Silke Maria Haas 18:42

That's right, yes. And in German, we have a saying you can't carry a dog to hunt. So it's like, you know, you have to really want to do it. And then you have to sit down and literally work through it. Because when you start sitting down and then you're faced with all these little voices in your head, and sometimes it's not nice what comes up. But knowing that if you do it, and then you create that habit and you get the benefit, you know, there was no way you would turn back on it.

Tony Winyard 19:19

What habits have helped you the most? Is there any habit you've really had to work hard

Silke Maria Haas 19:25

on? What has helped there's two two parts to that question. The habit that's helped me the most is definitely meditation. Okay, it's coming into awareness and to be close in a way it by being who are who I really am. Yeah, I sort of go beyond all that conditioning and programming that limits me. Okay. And so working from my essence, is the thing that helps me most in living my life, a happier life. Okay, I think I've struggled most in and just doing regular exercise because somehow, you know, getting out of bed in the morning and getting going is not a natural thing. It wasn't conditioned, it wasn't natural to me. So I've had to work hard on it. But every time I do it, it's like a success. So doing it six times a week, it's kind of I win every day. And it makes me stronger. And I feel great afterwards.

Tony Winyard 20:26

Right? You talked about meditation? Is there a particular type of meditation that you prefer?

Silke Maria Haas 20:34

I think it's, it's mostly being present. Right? Yeah, it's being present with the breath, being present with whatever the reason being not judging just being in that space, and not trying to do anything. Right. It's stopping the try.

Tony Winyard 20:51

So it is no easy to you know, in life, sort of sort of trans men, transcendental meditation or loving kindness. So it is none of those particular styles that you follow, for example.

Silke Maria Haas 21:02

No, I don't follow a particular school. But I've done lots of lots of these techniques. And sometimes I will do some breathing, or some particular visualisation to start with are definitely do start with gratitude. Right, that's, that's a big thing. To get into that vibration of gratitude. And then it's literally coming into being it's, there's a place when these techniques stop being techniques, they just, they sort of go

Tony Winyard 21:31

in attorneys. Do you ever suggest meditation for your clients?

Silke Maria Haas 21:36

Yes, absolutely. I actually make it sort of, I don't take on coaching clients, unless they're willing to commit 15 minutes a day to do some practice, okay? Because I found it's a waste of money going to classes and learning things if you don't apply them.

Tony Winyard 21:53

And when you say, practice, practice, in meditation or in in order things that you instrument,

Silke Maria Haas 21:59

in all the things, right. It's like you're wandering an investment, so you have to put something into your bank account in order to get an interest.

Tony Winyard 22:08

So typically, what would in those Did you say, 15 minutes every day? 15? One, five minutes. And so typically, what would those 15 minutes be made up of? What would people be? What would you hope people would do every day?

Silke Maria Haas 22:23

Well, hopefully, they would, they would spend some time sitting. They would write down what they're grateful for, they would write down their successes. And they would visualise their goals and objectives. That could be a very simple routine.

Tony Winyard 22:44

And is there any people you've worked with? Who when you first suggested that they didn't think they would be able to do it? They've never done anything like that before? And I'm not sure I can do that. Was there any sort of reactions like that?

Silke Maria Haas 22:59

I presume there are I sort of, I tend to make deals with people said, well, you're paying me to do coaching with you. So when you pay for it, usually, like, you know, having a gym membership, you're more likely to go if you commit to it. And then of course, there will be people who paid the membership and then they don't go. And and that's fine to

Tony Winyard 23:27

wait for people who are listening to this, and maybe they have got they've got pains or whatever it may be there are too sedentary. What What suggestions, what advice would you give them?

Silke Maria Haas 23:41

Well, first of all, be aware of what they're doing. They listen to their body, if we were to talk to our bodies, and really feel our bodies, in the same way, that we would do it in a relationship, I very much compare the body to a marriage and say, if you were to listen to your wife or your husband, only when they shouted you, you know, you wouldn't call that that good marriage. And the art of having a good relationship is to tune in, to listen to ask questions and be really interested in the other person. And in that case, in the body, and knowing that you don't have to always understand but it's all about being present and listening. And as you work on the relationship and feeling your body more, then you learn to understand and your body actually gives you the indications to do what to do, to drink more water to move more to take more rest. Whatever it is, it could be so many things. Touch for example, is also something that a lot of people are missing, just to be held.

Tony Winyard 24:51

And, and is there an element of some people may be thinking that they're they're healthy or they're fit because they They do. Maybe they do a lot of sport, but it's just one sport that they do all the time. Maybe they only play tennis or they only play golf, or they only play football. And they're not having a mixture of different types of movement, and it can that be problematic.

Silke Maria Haas 25:14

That can be although, in my experience, I find that people do themselves less harm doing what they love doing and what they enjoy doing. Then, then doing what they don't enjoy doing. But quite often when people say sit all day, and then they go off on a try to do something really hard. And then they obviously do themselves harm. Because that's when they start, you know, then when all the damage from having sat all day comes up. And then also, it's to do with the attitude when people sort of are into competitive mood and into having to achieve things and then take that into the exercise. Then again, the mind goes three steps ahead of the body. And then it's not the good teamwork

Tony Winyard 26:05

so what would so once people are start tuning into their body and listening to the body, as you explained before, then what I'm thinking what would be a good recommended recommendation for them to do to be taken things like yoga, tai Qi, sort of sort of movement practices to especially if they if they're getting older, maybe would would that be advisable?

Silke Maria Haas 26:34

Yes, I mean, you can't generalise because bodies are so different. I usually have the criteria that should be something that person enjoys, not another must in their life. And should be something where the mind and the body work together. Okay, it could be yoga, it could be martial arts. For some people, it's running some or boxing when when they have a lot of bottled up aggression. It could be dancing. It there's so many things if you if you ask your body. It'll tell you

Tony Winyard 27:08

nicely dancing is a great one for many people, I would imagine because that's, that's can be so much fun.

Silke Maria Haas 27:15

Yes, it's one of my favourite ones. So it doesn't feel like sports, because it's, you know, you're moving and you're having fun. You're socialising. There's so many things that this fulfils? Hmm.

Tony Winyard 27:29

And have you in the last couple of years since the lockdown pandemic situation? Have? Has that? Have you found there's been more people suffering from sedentary behaviour because of being at home more? Or is it not? Not too much different?

Silke Maria Haas 27:44

I couldn't say because I'm busy always. So it's like, I think what's more, that people are starting to have more economic challenges. So they're more saving on coming to see somebody? Okay, but that's exactly why I give out more material for free. I actually have have a YouTube channel with exercises for sedentary people. Okay. So that's something that I make available,

Tony Winyard 28:14

right? So in how would you like to see your your business, your practice, develop over the next few years? Are you going to be adding any new things or trying different things?

Silke Maria Haas 28:28

My practice is totally changing all the time. I'm, I'm forever learning. I'm the total junkie when it comes to learning and development. So my aim is to reach more people, and also to reach people more with my words, and just with my hands. Okay, so yes, my plan is to be a lot more online to be more present and writing a book at present. And I've published four online products in the last six months.

Tony Winyard 28:56

And what types of things, whatever things are there?

Silke Maria Haas 29:00

Well, there's, I have a 12 step course, where people can actually, you know, go through the steps of what I call energetic coaching to heal and empower themselves. And I accompany that with live group coaching calls monthly, and a membership site for people to exchange with me personally, and the others in the group. Because it's more fun when you do it together. But of course, people can do one to one coachings and they can do half online half live with me. And just recently, I published a course to release blockages in the subconscious. That's a particularly piece of work I called karmic knots. And that's a one off very, very powerful work, which usually gets rid of 80% of the problems within 10 minutes. So it's really amazing work.

Tony Winyard 29:57

And in the book, but you mentioned that you're right, yes. What who would have booked me about?

Silke Maria Haas 30:03

The book will be about how to be crazy, happy, healthy and abundant. Okay? Because my coaching method is called crazy healing. This was a name I got channelled long before the crazy times that we started. And it's about using the crazy situation that is the problem as a stepping stone towards reclaiming one's wholeness.

Tony Winyard 30:27

And when do you hope to have the book finished by

Silke Maria Haas 30:30

should be out next year?

Tony Winyard 30:32

Okay, well, we're in a bounce next year.

Silke Maria Haas 30:36

I'm just finishing writing it. So whatever long the publishing takes, right, that's out of my hand.

Tony Winyard 30:44

And speaking of books, is there a book that has really moved you at all?

Silke Maria Haas 30:49

Yes, yes, I have it with me. It's called The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. And it's all about scaling up and becoming the best version of yourself. Not stop playing small basically.

Tony Winyard 31:05

What was it about the book that really moved you?

Silke Maria Haas 31:10

It was realising that I had been playing small for so many years, and realise that there was so much more to me than I believed myself to be able to do.

Tony Winyard 31:26

If people want to find out more about the courses that you mentioned, and your social media and your website, and so on, where is the best places to go?

Silke Maria Haas 31:33

The easiest way is to subscribe to my newsletter on my website, crazy And, and they're also the courses that I've been published. They're also on the website.

Tony Winyard 31:48

And is there on your YouTube channel? You mentioned?

Silke Maria Haas 31:51

Yes, the YouTube channel is just my name Silka Maria Haas,

Tony Winyard 31:55

okay. And I'll put links to all of these in the show notes for anyone listening,

Silke Maria Haas 32:01

that would be great. And just

Tony Winyard 32:03

before we finish, is there, is there a quotation that you particularly like?

Silke Maria Haas 32:08

Yes, I very much love the quote of a sociologist called Reinhold Niebuhr. And it's, it's a little prayer really saying, grant me the courage to change the things I can't change. Grant me the equanimity to accept the things I cannot change. And grant me the wisdom to differentiate between one as the other.

Tony Winyard 32:39

And what is it about that that sticks produce so much?

Silke Maria Haas 32:44

When it's it's really describes the essence of my coaching, because energetic coaching is about developing the skill to differentiate one thing from the other, and to cultivate that acceptance, and at the same time, cultivate the courage to do the changes?

Tony Winyard 33:04

Well, Silca, thank you very much for your time, it's been a been a real pleasure, and best of luck for the future.

Silke Maria Haas 33:11

Likewise, it was great talking to you. Thank you. Thank you.

Tony Winyard 33:16

Next week, episode 51, with Filipo de Leonardo, and he's a third time entrepreneur who have a passion and mission to create products and services that can improve people's lives. And he's done a lot of work around behaviour change. And he inspired him to launch an app called essential, which is a work life experience platform that combines AI and the science of wellbeing, to help professionals feel more balance energised and inspired in their day. So we talk a lot about how this platform works, and what was the inspiration behind it and how will we actually help people? So that's next week with Filippo de Leonardo. Hope you enjoy this week's episode. Please do share the episode of anyone you know who you feel would get some real value from this. And hope you have a great week.

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